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Asterix said:
What's amazing is the sheer audacity of these guys. They're boarding these ships from rickety speedboats that look like they're barely sea worthy. The last ship they took was the size of three football fields. For all the millions these ships and their cargo are worth you'd think these companies could provide their own security.
What is truly amazing is the ignorance of commentators on this issue - including some here!

A ship the "size of three football fields" is pretty small when it's out in the middle of the ocean. Plus, this is one of the busiest seaways in the world as ships head towards and away from the Suez Canal. The pirates are using small boats that are not easily picked up by radar and that require visual identification before being challenged.

This is all about as easy as finding a needle in a haystack - even if you are equipped with a magnet :)
 

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They should just send out a couple of decoy tankers loaded with Apaches instead of oil...
That would ruin their day. As far as drones go you need to amke sure your droping bombs on the right people, blowing up a fishing boat with tourists aboard would be a bad thing. And you could be sure that by the time the good guys got there to pick up the pieces the reporters would be there with the grieving relatives, who as a sideline hold ships hostage.
 

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landscaper said:
As far as drones go you need to amke sure your droping bombs on the right people, blowing up a fishing boat with tourists aboard would be a bad thing.
No problem really.
Ship captain sights a distant 'suspect' boat approaching.
He calls in a drone which is then circling overhead in a minute or two.
Once captain confirms they are pirates, the drone fires a missile in seconds sinking the pirate vessel before it even gets to his ship...;)
 

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And the bad guys have rocket launchers too, they could blow a big hole in the side of an oil tanker and cause a giant oil spill.
 

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The waters off the Somali coast are the most dangerous in the world - accounting for a third of the world's pirate attacks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7734985.stm


How do the pirates seize the ships?

The pirates are very good at what they do.

They run sophisticated operations using the latest hi-tech equipment such as satellite phones and GPS.

They are also heavily armed with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47s. The pirates are known to receive tip-offs from contacts at ports in the Gulf of Aden.

They use speedboats with very powerful outboard motors to approach their target. Sometimes the speedboats are launched from much larger "mother ships" on the high seas.

To actually hijack the ships, the pirates first use grappling hooks and irons - some of which are even rocket-propelled - and climb aboard using ropes and ladders. The pirates have also on occasion fired at the ships to scare them into stopping, so it is easier for them to board the vessel.

The pirates then sail the hijacked ship to the Somali pirate hub town, Eyl. There, pirates board the ship and they normally take the hostages to shore where they are normally well looked after until a ransom is paid.




Why can't the pirates be stopped?

Warships from at least nine countries are now operating in the Indian Ocean and the Gulf of Aden but this may have only shifted the problem.

The Sirius Star was attacked a long way south of Somalia. The targeted area now encompasses over a quarter of the Indian Ocean and so is impossible to police. The International Maritime Bureau is advising ship-owners to adopt measure such as having look-outs or travelling at speeds which would allow them to outrun the pirates.

However, the pirates move extremely quickly and often at night and so it is often too late before the crew have realised what has happened.

Once the pirates have taken control of a ship, military intervention is complicated because of the hostages on board.

There is also no international legal system for people accused of piracy, although some have been put on trial in Kenya, while one group was captured by French forces and taken to face justice in France.

Earlier this year, French commandos detained Somali 'pirates' soon after the release of 30 hostages

As long as Somalia continues to exist without an effective government, lawlessness within the country and off its lengthy coast will only grow.

Only a few pirates have been caught and arrested. The British navy has shot dead at least two after they tried to board a ship.




Why do the pirates do it?

For the money.

The pirates treat the ship, its cargo and its crew as hostages and hold them for ransom.

The rewards they receive are rich in a country where there are no jobs and almost half the population needs food aid after 17 years of non-stop conflict.

One estimate says pirates have received some $30m in the past year in ransom payments.

Obviously, they use some of this money to fund future operations - more powerful weapons, bigger, faster boats and more sophisticated equipment.




How does piracy affect people outside Somalia?

Unless they are involved in the shipping industry, the main effect is higher prices.

Shipping companies pass on the increased costs - security, higher insurance premiums, ransoms and extra fuel for longer routes - in their fees and so it eventually finds its way onto the high street.

Piracy is estimated to have cost the world an estimated $60 - 70m this year.
 

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S.C. Joe said:
And the bad guys have rocket launchers too, they could blow a big hole in the side of an oil tanker and cause a giant oil spill.
After getting blindsided by a Hellfire missile they won't have time to do anything.
They'll be toast!....:cool:
 

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the marines had a solution for this in tripoli in the 1800's it is in their regimental song, even the brits in the days of empire , they would make a campaign out of it , march in take over hang the wogs and civilize the place, how well the solution would work in a 24 hour news cycle is debatable
 

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We should remember we're talking about an area 4 times the size of TX.....

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onthebottom said:
We should remember we're talking about an area 4 times the size of TX.....

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That wasn't a problem for Colin Powell when he was showing bogus satellite WMD evidence to the UN. Iraq is also very large but the US had zero difficulty in claiming all kinds of suspicious activities to justify their determination to invade Iraq.

With all the satellite imagery, AWAC aircraft and GPS positioning technology available, you have to be pretty gullible to accept a bunch of Somali pirates that can thumb their noses at the $Trillions the US spends on the pretext of defending the world from every possible eventuality. If the US can't stop Somalia from interrupting shipping in an area the size of Texas, why are we paying any attention to the US in all the other so-called hot spots. You either have it or you don't!
 

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That wasn't a problem for Colin Powell when he was showing bogus satellite WMD evidence to the UN. Iraq is also very large but the US had zero difficulty in claiming all kinds of suspicious activities to justify their determination to invade Iraq.

With all the satellite imagery, AWAC aircraft and GPS positioning technology available, you have to be pretty gullible to accept a bunch of Somali pirates that can thumb their noses at the $Trillions the US spends on the pretext of defending the world from every possible eventuality. If the US can't stop Somalia from interrupting shipping in an area the size of Texas, why are we paying any attention to the US in all the other so-called hot spots. You either have it or you don't!
Why is it our job? What is the EU doing?

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S.C. Joe said:
Why can't the pirates be stopped?

Warships from at least nine countries are now operating in the Indian Ocean and the Gulf of Aden but this may have only shifted the problem.

The Sirius Star was attacked a long way south of Somalia. The targeted area now encompasses over a quarter of the Indian Ocean and so is impossible to police. The International Maritime Bureau is advising ship-owners to adopt measure such as having look-outs or travelling at speeds which would allow them to outrun the pirates.

However, the pirates move extremely quickly and often at night and so it is often too late before the crew have realised what has happened.

Once the pirates have taken control of a ship, military intervention is complicated because of the hostages on board.

There is also no international legal system for people accused of piracy, although some have been put on trial in Kenya, while one group was captured by French forces and taken to face justice in France.

Earlier this year, French commandos detained Somali 'pirates' soon after the release of 30 hostages

As long as Somalia continues to exist without an effective government, lawlessness within the country and off its lengthy coast will only grow.

Only a few pirates have been caught and arrested. The British navy has shot dead at least two after they tried to board a ship.



Its a larger area than the size on Texas, cause they move to other areas. The USA is also bog down in Iraq do not forget.
 

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emerging44 said:
What is truly amazing is the ignorance of commentators on this issue - including some here!

A ship the "size of three football fields" is pretty small when it's out in the middle of the ocean. Plus, this is one of the busiest seaways in the world as ships head towards and away from the Suez Canal. The pirates are using small boats that are not easily picked up by radar and that require visual identification before being challenged.

This is all about as easy as finding a needle in a haystack - even if you are equipped with a magnet :)
A couple things. First I never suggested we should attempt to chase them half way around the Indian Ocean. My point was that these guys taking over some of the most massive ships on any ocean from what are basically skiffs with oversized motors, and having little more than assault rifles, is pretty ballsy. Greenpeace had way better boats then these guys for christsakes. It can't possibly be that hard for the companies sending out the tankers, to give them a small escort that could easily blow these little weanie boats out of the water if they got too close. If they aren't willing to do that, they could at least pour boiling oil on them while they were attempting to scale the side of these ships. Lord knows they have enough of it on board.
 
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onthebottom said:
Why is it our job? What is the EU doing?

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Why were Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and Viet Nam etc. your jobs? This is a problem that could be solved much more easily than any of your other jobs but it is obvious by the number of indidents involving Somali pirates that you're not interested this time. Go figure.

Meanwhile, Britain, India and possibly a few others have warships trying to protect shipping in this area. I'm sure they have access to satellite imagery, GPS devices, aircraft carriers, surveillance aircraft and whatever else they'd need to intercept these fuckers but, so far, there is no evidence they're taking this threat seriously enough. I think the technology exists but nobody is really pulling out all the stops yet. Once we have an oil spill from an attack on a tanker or some similar catastrophe, then we will see a full scale response with all the latest gadgetry.
 

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Asterix said:
A couple things. First I never suggested we should attempt to chase them half way around the Indian Ocean. My point was that these guys taking over some of the most massive ships on any ocean from what are basically skiffs with oversized motors, and having little more than assault rifles, is pretty ballsy. Greenpeace had way better boats then these guys for christsakes. It can't possibly be that hard for the companies sending out the tankers, to give them a small escort that could easily blow these little weanie boats out of the water if they got too close. If they aren't willing to do that, they could at least pour boiling oil on them while they were attempting to scale the side of these ships. Lord knows they have enough of it on board.
Small, fast boats are very difficult to detect by lookouts or even by radar. Large ships are easy to see both visually and by radar. Small, fast boats can move around quickly and if they see an escort, they just go elsewhere and find another target. Large ships like oil tankers can't easily change course or even slow down to avoid trouble. A tanker captain I knew told me that normally they cut engines 20 - 25km from port and then have to go full astern to stop the ship at port. The worlds largest supertanker is so big it can't even use the English Channel.
Bottom line: small fast boats chasing big slow ships is like a gnat irritating an elephant. Even arming the big ships wouldn't help that much if the pirates are determined. Think about how many trained military personnel you would have to put on each tanker to properly defend it. And there is too much traffic in too big an area to protect all the ships especially when the pirates change their tactics.
The Indian Navy's recent success with the INS Tabar sinking a mother ship and one pirate vessel while positive is acknowledged as lucky. This year so far, 95 ships have been attacked and 35 captured. That's a pretty high success rate.
 
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