So Angry Right Now...
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The next time I see the old 'all sps are only in it for the money' thing, I think I'll say "Yeah? And you're only in it for the sex. What's your point?" 
It is interesting that you picked those percentages. There is a poll running on another board which asks the question:Vancouver Femme Fatale said:
I wouldn't be surprised that your 20% comes from the guys you selected "no".
Tina and Femme Fatale
Tina...you're right. You more than likely get a lot of PM's that take a considerable amount of time responding to. Time well spent if you get results. In your case you're saying you don't, making it for the most part a waste of time. But is is part of being in biz and marketing.
Others have suggested a web presence to answer some of those questions without the need of a PM.
Also keep in mind, we are an email based society. I don't think, people see a lot of difference between a PM and an email. We're used to firing off a note or question by email, which might explain why you have so many.
You also post in a lot of threads and that will generate PM's. You're going to get tire kickers along with serious responses, it comes with the territory.
For general questions..take some time and pre-prepare a "boiler plate" response in a word document you can cut and paste into a message response to answer general questions. Makes it a lot easier.
You can heve several different responses prepared while you're calm that you can paste in, rather than shooting from the hip at the 14th bozo with the same question..rofl!
Vancouver Femme Fatale. Sorry to learn of your expierience. You've noted you generally have some pretty good gut reactions to situations like these...but this one person got by that response.
Please don't treat the rest of us based on what he did. That would be like me assuming you are exactly the same as the disappointing SP I saw last week. Her mistakes and bad habits are therefore your's, by nature of being in the same biz. Which would be a great disservice to you if I did and like wise.
We live, we learn.
M2
Tina...you're right. You more than likely get a lot of PM's that take a considerable amount of time responding to. Time well spent if you get results. In your case you're saying you don't, making it for the most part a waste of time. But is is part of being in biz and marketing.
Others have suggested a web presence to answer some of those questions without the need of a PM.
Also keep in mind, we are an email based society. I don't think, people see a lot of difference between a PM and an email. We're used to firing off a note or question by email, which might explain why you have so many.
You also post in a lot of threads and that will generate PM's. You're going to get tire kickers along with serious responses, it comes with the territory.
For general questions..take some time and pre-prepare a "boiler plate" response in a word document you can cut and paste into a message response to answer general questions. Makes it a lot easier.
You can heve several different responses prepared while you're calm that you can paste in, rather than shooting from the hip at the 14th bozo with the same question..rofl!
Vancouver Femme Fatale. Sorry to learn of your expierience. You've noted you generally have some pretty good gut reactions to situations like these...but this one person got by that response.
Please don't treat the rest of us based on what he did. That would be like me assuming you are exactly the same as the disappointing SP I saw last week. Her mistakes and bad habits are therefore your's, by nature of being in the same biz. Which would be a great disservice to you if I did and like wise.
We live, we learn.
M2
Vancouver Femme Fatale said:The next time I see the old 'all sps are only in it for the money' thing, I think I'll say "Yeah? And you're only in it for the sex. What's your point?"
sounds like a win/win situation for all involved...and to think i use to collect hockey cards as a hobby
I'll admit to kicking Tina's tires to find out more about her services - her fun lovin' attitude on here seems to welcome it. But I'll never initiate any graphic questions on a PM or email - that's just a cheap thrill that often frightens them or simply wastes their time if I don't make an appointment.
to find out more about her services - her fun lovin' attitude on here seems to welcome it. But I'll never initiate any graphic questions on a PM or email - that's just a cheap thrill that often frightens them or simply wastes their time if I don't make an appointment.In marketing any business or service it is a pretty well known fact that you have to make (on average) 100 cold calls to get 2 leads. Of those 2 leads you might get 1 in 10 actual sales from the call.
Unfortunately, this applies to any business or service. Some businesses get a higher rate of return, some get even lower. If you're getting 1 booking out of 10 or 20 email contacts, then you're way ahead of the curve.
Unfortunately being indie, you have to field all these requests yourself. Being indie myself, I have to do all my bookkeeping, quoting, answer all calls, as well as do all quotes AND do the actual work. There are benefits and headaches associated with being indie, you have to accept both.
VFF: sorry about your troubles but you won't get any sympathy from me for having pizza for thanksgiving dinner, I had nachos.....
As posted, next time someone wants to book you for a road trip like that, get everything in advance and I'd even say a week isn't enuff, I'd want everything 2 - 3 weeks in advance with a 50% down payment NON refundable if the client cancels. You could also do a sliding scale refund policy such as: full refund if he cancels 10 days in advance, 50% 1 week, 0 refund 7 days or less....
Unfortunately, this applies to any business or service. Some businesses get a higher rate of return, some get even lower. If you're getting 1 booking out of 10 or 20 email contacts, then you're way ahead of the curve.
Unfortunately being indie, you have to field all these requests yourself. Being indie myself, I have to do all my bookkeeping, quoting, answer all calls, as well as do all quotes AND do the actual work. There are benefits and headaches associated with being indie, you have to accept both.
VFF: sorry about your troubles but you won't get any sympathy from me for having pizza for thanksgiving dinner, I had nachos.....
As posted, next time someone wants to book you for a road trip like that, get everything in advance and I'd even say a week isn't enuff, I'd want everything 2 - 3 weeks in advance with a 50% down payment NON refundable if the client cancels. You could also do a sliding scale refund policy such as: full refund if he cancels 10 days in advance, 50% 1 week, 0 refund 7 days or less....
I've gotten some good feedback here, and I think it's time for a page on my site using some of the suggestions here to make clear what my requirements are for this kind of appointment.
In a much better mood finally...and I won't hold the behaviour of one ill-mannered jerk against you good guys
In a much better mood finally...and I won't hold the behaviour of one ill-mannered jerk against you good guys
Vancouver Femme Fatale said:I've gotten some good feedback here, and I think it's time for a page on my site using some of the suggestions here to make clear what my requirements are for this kind of appointment.
In a much better mood finally...and I won't hold the behaviour of one ill-mannered jerk against you good guys
I can't see why anyone would offer you airline tickets to come to T.O. when there are 100's of SPS here that he could have picked . You should have taken the regular . I am surprised with all your experience you didn't know better. I guess you don't know everything after all.
Vancouver Femme Fatale said:I've gotten some good feedback here, and I think it's time for a page on my site using some of the suggestions here to make clear what my requirements are for this kind of appointment.
In a much better mood finally...and I won't hold the behaviour of one ill-mannered jerk against you good guys
I looked at your site and I think it is time for a whole new site. It doesn't load right for me eg two sentances appear on top of one another. I don't know why, I'm not that type of guy....
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I thought it was SOP on travel dates to clear funds in advance of the trip. This guy strung you alone out of what -- sentiment for his charm? That is a shame. at least you can look back on the excitement of the planning with fond memories of the hope and ancticipation it brought you. But I have never met an SP who was willing to put off her regulars forme. Ive always had to accomodateher schedule. And follow her rules for providing concrete contact information before booking. If you have this trolls address, name, phone number and so on, list him in the bad clients advisory.
BBB...how insecure do you have to be to still be referring to a thread from weeks ago? This makes you look silly, not clever or more important.
There was far more complexity and incentive to this offer than I've posted - and I've not posted it out of discretion. Even though I think this guy's a fool, I don't want to give any additional info on a public board.
My regular called when things were looking legit as far as the booking dates were concerned, and after I thought the tickets were already purchased and on their way. Usually I would always give a regular precedence
This thread has been really helpful in regards to how I should handle these things in the future, and I thank you all for that. I'd never done an out-of-town gig before, and I was unsure of exactly how the other girls handled this stuff and what the gents thought was fair to expect as far as timing and percentage of deposit was concerned. You guys rock!
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