smoking fetish

[smokeintoronto]

Hey all,

I have a deep-rooted (excuse the pun) smoking fetish. I love to watch women smoking (cigarettes mostly, but 420 is cool too).

I've had a bunch of pro-domme sessions that centred on it, but I'd love to find an escort who understands & knows how to appeal to my attraction.

Any ideas? Girls, know what I'm talking about??

xo

 

[Roger Melon]

Whenever this topic comes up here there's always lots of self-righteous posts about the dangers of smoking and how disgusting it is etc. etc. I just wanted to get in here first and say I'm with you - nothing turns me on like a lady really enjoying a cigarette. Of course there are countless websites and custom photo/video companies dedicated to this fetish, and You-Tube vids of young ladies smoking garner thousands of views, so we're not the only ones.

I do understand that for many men, women who smoke and especially cigarette breath is a turn-off. I wonder how escorts deal with this, or if it even comes up often. Some agencies list which of their ladies are non-smokers. (Of course I view it as a reverse-list of which ones aren't!) As more hotels adopt non-smoking policies I worry that it will become difficult to indulge our little quirk.

 

[LadyTY2Uall]

A fresh piece of minty gum is the best way to chase away smoke breath in my experience......though to be honest, the majority of my clients with a smoking fetish don't mind smokey breath in the least.

 

[Madeline Rhodes]

Ok.......... so THAT's why men keep stopping and staring when I am smoking. And I just thought it was my boobs!

Jokes aside there are a few indies out there who list that they can accommodate this.

 

[Roger Melon]

.....though to be honest, the majority of my clients with a smoking fetish don't mind smokey breath in the least.

Believe me, I'm not worried about your smoking fetish clients as far as smokey breath goes. To me that's the ambrosia of the Gods. It's those odd-balls who don't share this fetish I'm wondering about. I have noticed that a lot of men here don't like to smell smoke either on an escort or in the room where a session happens. Is it easy enough to clear the air and have a mint when going from a smoking fetish client to a "non-smoking fetishist"?

 

[fuji]

I don't like the smell of smoke. A lot of heavy smokers get it in their hair, and at some point their hair usually winds up in your face. If the smell is strong enough I won't repeat.

Further, smoking is a horrible disease and I'm saddened that anyone still smokes, in light of what we know about it.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

[video]http://www.redtube.com/495[/video]

 

[afterhours]

I don't like the smell of smoke. A lot of heavy smokers get it in their hair, and at some point their hair usually winds up in your face. If the smell is strong enough I won't repeat.

Further, smoking is a horrible disease and I'm saddened that anyone still smokes, in light of what we know about it.

girls who smoke tobacco are IMHO undatable
420 is a whole different story though

 

[Babypowder]

girls who smoke tobacco are IMHO undatable g
420 is a whole different story though

+1 :thumb:

 

[shakenbake]

girls who smoke tobacco are IMHO undatable
420 is a whole different story though

You are right. 420 is shown medically to be four times more carcinogenic than tobacco.

 

[Babypowder]

the 'evidence' on 420 causing cancer is not nearly as concrete as the evidence for tobacco causing cancer.

 

[fuji]

You are right. 420 is shown medically to be four times more carcinogenic than tobacco.

You may be right, I'll take your word for it. However there is a dramatic difference in usage.

Most of the people I know who smoke are into the pack a day, or at least half pack a day territory. They smoke A LOT. Presumably because it is so addictive. Most of the people I know who 420 do it a couple of times a week, a very few of them do it a couple of times a day. So the tobacco smokers are smoking at LEAST 20x and generally more like 100x more than the 420's. That HAS to be significant.

 

[shakenbake]

the 'evidence' on 420 causing cancer is not nearly as concrete as the evidence for tobacco causing cancer.

That doesn't cancel out the fact that 420 is carcinogenic. In addion, there is also evidence that 420 also causes a host of other problems that are as serious as cancer. I would not date a woman, if I were in the dating stages of life, if she smoked either substance.

 

[shakenbake]

You may be right, I'll take your word for it. However there is a dramatic difference in usage.

Most of the people I know who smoke are into the pack a day, or at least half pack a day territory. They smoke A LOT. Presumably because it is so addictive. Most of the people I know who 420 do it a couple of times a week, a very few of them do it a couple of times a day. So the tobacco smokers are smoking at LEAST 20x and generally more like 100x more than the 420's. That HAS to be significant.

I just love your math. Try to convince just one testicular cancer victim of 420 that they were at a lower risk, just because they smoked less 420.

 

[Babypowder]

That doesn't cancel out the fact that 420 is carcinogenic. In addion, there is also evidence that 420 also causes a host of other problems that are as serious as cancer.

it doesnt cancel it out at all but it does put that bs fact into perspective.since you didnt provide any evidence I highly doubt there are any problems that are linked to 420 that are serious as cancer. and any ill effects from 420 are short term. 420 is less harmful than coffee.

i do respect your choices how ever because smoking anything isnt good for you.

 

[shakenbake]

it doesnt cancel it out at all but it does put that bs fact into perspective.since you didnt provide any evidence I highly doubt there are any problems that are linked to 420 that are serious as cancer. and any ill effects from 420 are short term. 420 is less harmful than coffee.

i do respect your choices how ever because smoking anything isnt good for you.

Since you asked for `BS` facts; here are some of them. The list is not complete.

Do you still think 420 is harmless? Maybe, your possible use of it might have clouded your mind.

http://drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html
Marijuana and Mental Health

A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, and schizophrenia. Some of these studies have shown age at first use to be an important risk factor, where early use is a marker of increased vulnerability to later problems. However, at this time, it is not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or reflects an attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence.
Chronic marijuana use, especially in a very young person, may also be a marker of risk for mental illnesses - including addiction - stemming from genetic or environmental vulnerabilities, such as early exposure to stress or violence. Currently, the strongest evidence links marijuana use and schizophrenia and/or related disorders.[SUP]4[/SUP] High doses of marijuana can produce an acute psychotic reaction; in addition, use of the drug may trigger the onset or relapse of schizophrenia in vulnerable individuals.
What Other Adverse Effect Does Marijuana Have on Health?

Effects on the Heart
Marijuana increases heart rate by 20-100 percent shortly after smoking; this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug.[SUP]5[/SUP] This may be due to increased heart rate as well as the effects of marijuana on heart rhythms, causing palpitations and arrhythmias. This risk may be greater in aging populations or in those with cardiac vulnerabilities.

Effects on the Lungs
Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50-70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs` exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;[SUP]6[/SUP] however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.7 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.
Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers.[SUP]8[/SUP] Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Effects on Daily Life
Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person`s existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement, including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.[SUP]9[/SUP] Several studies associate workers` marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers` compensation claims, and job turnover."

Every recreational drug causes harm. Even alcohol, which is really defined as as poison to the human body, causes issues. But, one has to balance out the pleasure with the risk, and decide for themselves. Just don`t adopt a `holier than thou` attitude about these substances.

I take exception to your referring to my comemnt and opinion as BS. It was unwarranted. Ad hominen attacks suggest that the person making them has nothing of value to add to a discussion.

 

[simon482]

end result of life is death. do what you want and have fun doing it. you want to smoke go ahead, you don't go ahead. none of it even matters as long as you are happy.

 

[Babypowder]

Since you asked for `BS` facts; here are some of them. The list is not complete.


Do you still think 420 is harmless? Maybe, your possible use of it might have clouded your mind.

this should be funny

http://drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html
Marijuana and Mental Health
A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, and schizophrenia. Some of these studies have shown age at first use to be an important risk factor, where early use is a marker of increased vulnerability to later problems. However, at this time, it is not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or reflects an attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence.
Chronic marijuana use, especially in a very young person, may also be a marker of risk for mental illnesses - including addiction - stemming from genetic or environmental vulnerabilities, such as early exposure to stress or violence. Currently, the strongest evidence links marijuana use and schizophrenia and/or related disorders.[SUP]4[/SUP] High doses of marijuana can produce an acute psychotic reaction; in addition, use of the drug may trigger the onset or relapse of schizophrenia in vulnerable individuals.

im glad i actually read what u copied an pasted.

Effects on the Heart
Marijuana increases heart rate by 20-100 percent shortly after smoking; this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug.[SUP]5[/SUP] This may be due to increased heart rate as well as the effects of marijuana on heart rhythms, causing palpitations and arrhythmias. This risk may be greater in aging populations or in those with cardiac vulnerabilities.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2000/03.02/marijuana.html
Mittleman noted that, as an immediate trigger for heart attack, pot smoking is nearly twice as dangerous as sex for a sedentary person, exercise for a fit male or female, a tantrum of rage, or a bout of anxiety. But it’s less risky than a spurt of exercise for a couch potato or a snort of cocaine.
Despite the high percentage of people younger than 50 years old who report they use the drug – 12.5 percent – Mittleman doesn’t foresee an epidemic of pot-triggered heart attacks. For a 50-year-old baby boomer without other risk factors, like high blood pressure or high cholesterol, the absolute risk of having a heart attack in the crucial first hour after smoking marijuana is one in 100,000, he says.

http://www.cannabis-med.org/english/faq/07-heart-attack.htm
The overall effect of cannabis use on the frequency of heart attacks is unknown. This can only be ascertained in longitidudinal epidemiological studies. There are some studies and case reports that support the assumption that cannabis use may be harmful in people with coronary disease and may trigger a heart attack. However, this seems to be a very rare event. Cannabis will not cause a heart attack in a healthy person.
There are some pharmacological effects of cannabis that may act preventive and some that may be damaging.
Factors that may be damaging:
- The decrease of oxygen delivery to the heart (only if cannabis is smoked), due to the production of carbon monoxide.
- The increase of heart rate of about 45% on average in the first hour after smoking. Thus a normal heart rate of 70 may increase to about 100. This increases labour and thus oxygen demand (or oxygen need) of the heart muscle.
- Changes of blood pressure. Cannabis may cause the blood pressure to increase when the person is lying down, and to decrease when the person stands up.
Factors that might be preventive:
- If the angina is based on a spastic contraction of the coronary arteries, cannabis may relax the spasm.
- Cannabinoids reduce platelet aggregation, thus they may reduce the tendency of the blood to form clots.
- Cannabinoids act anti-inflammatory. Inflammation measured as the level of CRP is associated with a higher risk of heart attack.
In coronary disease the heart attack risk of cannabis use may be as high as going for a walk or having sex. So if you feel chest pain while walking or if you know that you have a severe coronary disease you should better not take cannabis or only in low doses that do not significantly increase heart rate. These low doses are often high enough for the therapeutic effectiveness of cannabis. You can measure your heart rate yourself and find out how it changes in reaction to cannabis. In case of an accidential overdose you can prevent the increase of heart rate by taking a beta-blocker.

Effects on the Lungs
Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50-70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs` exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;[SUP]6[/SUP] however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.7 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.
Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers.[SUP]8[/SUP] Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth4.shtml
Frequent marijuana smokers experience adverse respiratory symptoms from smoking, including chronic cough, chronic phlegm, and wheezing. However, the only prospective clinical study shows no increased risk of crippling pulmonary disease (chronic bronchitis and emphysema).
Since 1982, UCLA researchers have evaluated pulmonary function and bronchial cell characteristics in marijuana-only smokers, tobacco-only smokers, smokers of both, and non-smokers. Although they have found changes in marijuana-only smokers, the changes are much less pronounced than those found in tobacco smokers.
The nature of the marijuana-induced changes were also different, occurring primarily in the lung`s large airways - not the small peripheral airways affected by tobacco smoke. Since it is small-airway inflammation that causes chronic bronchitis and emphysema, marijuana smokers may not develop these diseases



http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/371/ille/library/Wheelock-e.pdf
John P. Morgan and Lynn Zimmer state that current research indicates that moderate smoking of cannabis appears to pose minimal danger to the lungs. Like tobacco smoke, cannabis smoke contains a number of irritants and carcinogens. Because cannabis users typically smoke much less often than tobacco smokers and, over time, inhale much less smoke, the risk of serious lung damage should be lower in cannabis smokers The authors note there have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to cannabis.

Every recreational drug causes harm. Even alcohol, which is really defined as as poison to the human body, causes issues. But, one has to balance out the pleasure with the risk, and decide for themselves. Just don`t adopt a `holier than thou` attitude about these substances.

I take exception to your referring to my comemnt and opinion as BS. It was unwarranted. Ad hominen attacks suggest that the person making them has nothing of value to add to a discussion.

your opinion is definitely not bs and is vauled. however just your comment was incomplete information. you stated that 420 smoke has more cancer causing agents than tobacco smoke yet here have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to cannabis. your post implied that cigarettes are less dangerous than 420 and IMO thats irresponsible to say that.

 

[shakenbake]

this should be funny

im glad i actually read what u copied an pasted.


http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2000/03.02/marijuana.html
Mittleman noted that, as an immediate trigger for heart attack, pot smoking is nearly twice as dangerous as sex for a sedentary person, exercise for a fit male or female, a tantrum of rage, or a bout of anxiety. But it’s less risky than a spurt of exercise for a couch potato or a snort of cocaine.
Despite the high percentage of people younger than 50 years old who report they use the drug – 12.5 percent – Mittleman doesn’t foresee an epidemic of pot-triggered heart attacks. For a 50-year-old baby boomer without other risk factors, like high blood pressure or high cholesterol, the absolute risk of having a heart attack in the crucial first hour after smoking marijuana is one in 100,000, he says.

http://www.cannabis-med.org/english/faq/07-heart-attack.htm
The overall effect of cannabis use on the frequency of heart attacks is unknown. This can only be ascertained in longitidudinal epidemiological studies. There are some studies and case reports that support the assumption that cannabis use may be harmful in people with coronary disease and may trigger a heart attack. However, this seems to be a very rare event. Cannabis will not cause a heart attack in a healthy person.
There are some pharmacological effects of cannabis that may act preventive and some that may be damaging.
Factors that may be damaging:
- The decrease of oxygen delivery to the heart (only if cannabis is smoked), due to the production of carbon monoxide.
- The increase of heart rate of about 45% on average in the first hour after smoking. Thus a normal heart rate of 70 may increase to about 100. This increases labour and thus oxygen demand (or oxygen need) of the heart muscle.
- Changes of blood pressure. Cannabis may cause the blood pressure to increase when the person is lying down, and to decrease when the person stands up.
Factors that might be preventive:
- If the angina is based on a spastic contraction of the coronary arteries, cannabis may relax the spasm.
- Cannabinoids reduce platelet aggregation, thus they may reduce the tendency of the blood to form clots.
- Cannabinoids act anti-inflammatory. Inflammation measured as the level of CRP is associated with a higher risk of heart attack.
In coronary disease the heart attack risk of cannabis use may be as high as going for a walk or having sex. So if you feel chest pain while walking or if you know that you have a severe coronary disease you should better not take cannabis or only in low doses that do not significantly increase heart rate. These low doses are often high enough for the therapeutic effectiveness of cannabis. You can measure your heart rate yourself and find out how it changes in reaction to cannabis. In case of an accidential overdose you can prevent the increase of heart rate by taking a beta-blocker.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth4.shtml
Frequent marijuana smokers experience adverse respiratory symptoms from smoking, including chronic cough, chronic phlegm, and wheezing. However, the only prospective clinical study shows no increased risk of crippling pulmonary disease (chronic bronchitis and emphysema).
Since 1982, UCLA researchers have evaluated pulmonary function and bronchial cell characteristics in marijuana-only smokers, tobacco-only smokers, smokers of both, and non-smokers. Although they have found changes in marijuana-only smokers, the changes are much less pronounced than those found in tobacco smokers.
The nature of the marijuana-induced changes were also different, occurring primarily in the lung`s large airways - not the small peripheral airways affected by tobacco smoke. Since it is small-airway inflammation that causes chronic bronchitis and emphysema, marijuana smokers may not develop these diseases



http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/371/ille/library/Wheelock-e.pdf
John P. Morgan and Lynn Zimmer state that current research indicates that moderate smoking of cannabis appears to pose minimal danger to the lungs. Like tobacco smoke, cannabis smoke contains a number of irritants and carcinogens. Because cannabis users typically smoke much less often than tobacco smokers and, over time, inhale much less smoke, the risk of serious lung damage should be lower in cannabis smokers The authors note there have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to cannabis.

your opinion is definitely not bs and is vauled. however just your comment was incomplete information. you stated that 420 smoke has more cancer causing agents than tobacco smoke yet here have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to cannabis. your post implied that cigarettes are less dangerous than 420 and IMO thats irresponsible to say that.

I did not say or imply that ciagrete smoking was less risky cancer-wise than cannabis. You said that. I said that cannabis smoke was five times as potent a carcinogen as tobacco smoke, which is true and proven. However, strength of cancer-causing agents and incidents of cancer do not correlate linearly.

As for your claim that no study has shown a link between lung cancer and cannabis use, here is one that might interest you.

Eur Respir J. 2008 Feb;31(2):280-6.
Cannabis use and risk of lung cancer: a case-control study.

Aldington S, Harwood M, Cox B, Weatherall M, Beckert L, Hansell A, Pritchard A, Robinson G, Beasley R; Cannabis and Respiratory Disease Research Group.
Source

Medical Research Institute of New Zealand, Wellington, New Zealand.

Abstract

The aim of the present study was to determine the risk of lung cancer associated with cannabis smoking. A case-control study of lung cancer in adults <or=55 yrs of age was conducted in eight district health boards in New Zealand. Cases were identified from the New Zealand Cancer Registry and hospital databases. Controls were randomly selected from the electoral roll, with frequency matching to cases in 5-yr age groups and district health boards. Interviewer-administered questionnaires were used to assess possible risk factors, including cannabis use. The relative risk of lung cancer associated with cannabis smoking was estimated by logistic regression. In total, 79 cases of lung cancer and 324 controls were included in the study. The risk of lung cancer increased 8% (95% confidence interval (CI) 2-15) for each joint-yr of cannabis smoking, after adjustment for confounding variables including cigarette smoking, and 7% (95% CI 5-9) for each pack-yr of cigarette smoking, after adjustment for confounding variables including cannabis smoking. The highest tertile of cannabis use was associated with an increased risk of lung cancer (relative risk 5.7 (95% CI 1.5-21.6)), after adjustment for confounding variables including cigarette smoking. In conclusion, the results of the present study indicate that long-term cannabis use increases the risk of lung cancer in young adults.

Take anything `researched` in California about cannabis with a grain of salt. I do not want to continue hi-jacking this theread, and I will not reply to any further off-comment posts. You do your own research into the subejct, and I will do mine.

 

[shakenbake]

And another. The jury is not yet out regarding definitive effects, however.


Alcohol. 2005 Apr;35(3):265-75.


[h=1]Epidemiologic review of marijuana use and cancer risk.[/h]Hashibe M, Straif K, Tashkin DP, Morgenstern H, Greenland S, Zhang ZF.
[h=3]Source[/h]International Agency for Research on Cancer, 69008 Lyon, France.

[h=3]Abstract[/h]Marijuana is the most commonly used illegal drug in the United States and is considered by young adults to be the illicit drug with the least risk. On the other hand, marijuana smoke contains several of the same carcinogens and co-carcinogens as the tar from tobacco, raising concerns that smoking of marijuana may be a risk factor for tobacco-related cancers. We reviewed two cohort studies and 14 case-control studies with assessment of the association of marijuana use and cancer risk. In the cohort studies, increased risks of lung or colorectal cancer due to marijuana smoking were not observed, but increased risks of prostate and cervical cancers among non-tobacco smokers, as well as adult-onset glioma among tobacco and non-tobacco smokers, were observed. The 14 case-control studies included four studies on head and neck cancers, two studies on lung cancer, two studies on non-Hodgkin`s lymphoma, one study on anal cancer, one study on penile cancer, and four studies on childhood cancers with assessment of parental exposures. Zhang and colleagues reported that marijuana use may increase risk of head and neck cancers in a hospital-based case-control study in the United States, with dose-response relations for both frequency and duration of use. However, Rosenblatt and co-workers reported no association between oral cancer and marijuana use in a population-based case-control study. An eightfold increase in risk among marijuana users was observed in a lung cancer study in Tunisia. However, there was no assessment of the dose response, and marijuana may have been mixed with tobacco. Parental marijuana use during gestation was associated with increased risks of childhood leukemia, astrocytoma, and rhabdomyosarcoma, but dose-response relations were not assessed. In summary, sufficient studies are not available to adequately evaluate marijuana impact on cancer risk. Several limitations of previous studies include possible underreporting where marijuana use is illegal, small sample sizes, and too few heavy marijuana users in the study sample. Recommendations for future studies are to (1) focus on tobacco-related cancer sites; (2) obtain detailed marijuana exposure assessment, including frequency, duration, and amount of personal use as well as mode of use (smoked in a cigarette, pipe, or bong; taken orally); (3) adjust for tobacco smoking and conduct analyses on nonusers of tobacco; and (4) conduct larger studies, meta-analyses, or pooled analyses to maximize statistical precision and investigate sources of differences in results. Despite the challenges, elucidation of the association between marijuana use and cancer risk is important in weighing the benefits and risks of medical marijuana use and to clarify the impact of marijuana use on public health.