People get distracted or their mind wanders and they rear end cars and trucks all the time. People make mistakes all the time while driving, just hope when mistakes are made there is not a train involved. Think the guy’s mind wandered and he hit the train.
Six dead after bus crashes with Via train at marked crossing in Ottawa.
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Yes, there are those who stop taking antibiotics because they feel better, but I don't put them in the same boat as diabetics, sorry. The end result of not taking your diabetic meds can be shock, coma, even death, not the best end result for forgetting you meds. That tends to motivate a diabetic. You've gone off on this idiot tangent based on a theoretical situation of this terrible event, quietly casting dispersion on the driver. Hell, l why not say he say a vision of the virgin Mary on the horizon and wasn't watching the road. It makes as much sense. For crying out loud, people are even supposing he and his wife possibly celebrated too much the night before and therefore he was in no condition to work. Total speculation and with no basis as is your line of thinking.
What's with the attitude?! So sorry to offend the mighty Blackrock, the official moderator and expert to everything in the world. Maybe you need to be on some meds and calm down!?
I ask these questions because I want to understand what the hell happened and not cast dispersion on the driver or insult your almighty wisdom. So sorry that my questions are stupid in your world, but asking them is not an offence to you or humanity. Asking gets us closer to understanding what happens.
No shit I'm speculating Sherlock! Every contribution so far is a speculation because we were not there and not remotely experts. Not even you, the eternally wise, all-powerful and knowing Blackrock, can claim even the slightest insight into this accident no matter what details you can grab from the news.
Neither attitude, almighty, eternally wise, or expert on everything on earth, simply factual. Yes, you are casting dispersion as nothing that has come to light has said or even hinted he missed his meds, his doing so could be spun into showing a lack of judgement, responsibility or commitment that might be put on him at the accident. No, every contribution is not speculation as some are passing on what is being offered up by TSB, other investigators, and reporters on site.
Regardless of any municipal bylaw the engineer is always allowed to sound the train's whistle in order to prevent a collision. If the whistle wasn't sounded then maybe the crew didn't realize the collision was imminent until the last moment. It would appear from the photographs that the bus struck the train immediately beneath the door on the left side of the locomotive's cab.
So sorry to be casting dispersion on the driver then. Ten thousand pardons for ever asking the "stupid" question or for insulting your intelligence! You can put away your axe now.
It is a fact that the driver is ultimately responsible for safely operating operating his vehicle safely despite any personal problems, health conditions or mechanical problem with the vehicle.
One problem with arguing over facts like you seem to love doing is that there is always room for interpretation and we (including the TSB investigators, or reporters on site) will never truly know what happened. We'll only have a best guest to what happened. We can change procedures, mechanical systems, training, etc. to prevent this from happening, but there is always a chance it will. Maybe what we change in processes will cause other unexpected consequences or failures. One other thing you haven't thought about is that we have bits and pieces of facts and will never have an complete picture of what happened. Accidents happen because of a series of failures and events, not just a single trigger point.
Tragedies like this are not new and will always happen so long as there is a human at the controls.
A city bus probably weighs around 5 tons, and a 3-4 car locomotive hauled passenger train around 200 tons.
Can you say NIMBY?
I'd be surprised if he fell asleep on the short straight after making the sweeping left hand turn.
That will be easy to determine. My guess is he didn't simply step on the wrong pedal.
It's one thing if the bus had a mechanical failure, it's another if the bus is truly unsafe. However, complete brake failure is highly unlikely as others have stated.
Might be on to something there.
Yes of course but explorerzip was asking a hypothetical question.
I would say that the driver would be negligent if he didn't take his meds but maybe his employer would be responsible to a degree too as they are vicariously liable.
If you are clinically diagnosed as a diabetic and prescribed medication as a result, you MUST take your daily meds no matter how 'fine' you feel. Only with regular blood tests (& perhaps healthy weight loss) can one determine that they might not need medication.
Fair enough, but nothing like blaming the dead guy. As for the company, i'll let the real lawyers comment on that , but tough hard to prove that you knew that an employee didn't take his meds.
