Simple science/global warming quiz

By how much the ocean level will increase if all Arctic Ocean ice will melt? No Googling!!!

  • Will not change at all

    Votes: 8 36.4%
  • Increase by less than 5mm

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Increase between 5mm and 1cm

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Increase between 1cm and 10cm

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • Increase between 10cm and 20cm

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • Increase between 20cm and 50cm

    Votes: 3 13.6%
  • Increase by more than 50cm

    Votes: 7 31.8%

  • Total voters
    22

fall

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And how about the density of the ice water compared to the ocean water?
Does that matter?
Do you mean the difference between the density of salt water and fresh water or the density of ice and ocean water? The first matters, but the effect is so small that it is negligible (3% of the volume of water displaced by the ice). The second does not.
 
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Frankfooter

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Do you mean the difference between the density of salt water and fresh water or the density of ice and ocean water? The first matters, but the effect is so small that it is negligible (3% of the volume of water displaced by the ice). The second does not.
The first, of course.
So you think it doesn't matter that the ice floating on the Arctic Ocean is fresh water and the ocean is salt water?
That it won't change the level melting?
 

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You would be surprised how many simple things people do not understand....
Simple things like the current climactic changes are at a rate higher than anything we've measured short of the dino asteroid and that human produced greenhouse gases are playing a major role?

"Man on the street" interviews do a good job of finding ignorance but it shows some intelligence for people to listen to experts they don't understand rather than listen to random voices.
 

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Yes, it is simple: the difference in the volume does not matter :). I guess, it is safe to put you in the group who does not understand basic physics.
Okay, how about the impact of thermal expansion on sea water that is heated by 1C?
 

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Okay, how about the impact of thermal expansion on sea water that is heated by 1C?
I'd say that, everything else equal, increase in air temperature will lead to more water in the air, and, thus, lower sea level. Of course, it is "in addition to all other factors that can affect the sea level"
 

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I'd say that, everything else equal, increase in air temperature will lead to more water in the air, and, thus, lower sea level. Of course, it is "in addition to all other factors that can affect the sea level"
Actual studies show that 1C will raise seal levels by around 20 cm and evaporation rate changes for 1C are negligible. The extreme high end of predictions that include melting land ice estimate up to 2m of which roughly half is thermal expansion
 

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I'd say that, everything else equal, increase in air temperature will lead to more water in the air, and, thus, lower sea level. Of course, it is "in addition to all other factors that can affect the sea level"
That's twice you're wrong on your own simple science question!
You've really outdone yourself.

Science says the difference between fresh water ice and salt water ocean means about 4cm rise in ocean levels when the Arctic Ocean ice melts.


 

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Actual studies show that 1C will raise seal levels by around 20 cm and evaporation rate changes for 1C are negligible. The extreme high end of predictions that include melting land ice estimate up to 2m of which roughly half is thermal expansion
Did you see "everything equal" in my statement? That increase will come from ice melting in Antarctica.
 

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That's twice you're wrong on your own simple science question!
You've really outdone yourself.

Science says the difference between fresh water ice and salt water ocean means about 4cm rise in ocean levels when the Arctic Ocean ice melts.


I am sure that the reported did not understand the paper because 4cm contradicts the basic math. There is a 3% difference between the salt water and fresh water density and the thickness of ice on Arctic Ocean is between 2m and 3m. So, if thewater wolud have stayed in Arctic Ocean, its level (after melting), would have increased by between 6cm and 9cm (I guess, the ice thickness is a bit less in the southern part, and this is where this 4cm in the paper came from). However, the area of Arctic Ocean is only 4% of the are of all 4 oceans (and I do not even count the area of internal water reservoirs), so, we are talking about 2mm to 3mm sea level increase. So, yes, you are right, the answer should be "less than 5mm", or, as I said, negligible. But, of cause, I did not mention the Antarctic :)
 
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