Should we lie

Mary Magdalene. I am saying we have all been judged/analyzed/hypercritically observed more than enough already by the outside world, we need to cut each other a break here.

Again, I was not judging him. That may be your incorrect assumption of my post, but that was not the case. For the record, I didn't judge Mary Magdalene either. I didn't even bring her up.

I also don't agree that we should make everything roses and sunshine here because the world out there has been harsh. However, I am not an escort that has to show favoritism to men here either.

That is just me though. Carry on.

As for the topic at hand, which I should bring it back too. If you have no issues lying to the people you say you love, then why feel any way about lying to someone you don't know.

As for wanting intimacy and non YMMV services based on being the true you, you need to find someone who cares enough about you. An SP/MP simply won't. That is what your wife is suppose to be for.
 
Yes of corse. Sometimes it feels therapeutic when you have somebody that you don't have to lie to laying naked and knowing that there are no consequences to you answering their questions honestly and not being judged openly. A parodox and contradiction oh hell yeah. But it is how I roll..
You could have 3 types of relationships instead off combining them all with one person.

1. A good rollercoaster fuck, purely physical with no discussions.

2. A wife who you can discuss everything with, except your rollercoaster fuck on the side.

3. A therapist or good friend you can talk about everything with, including the need for that rollercoaster fuck on the side.

As far as rims, get a used set on kijijji or at the autowreckers.
 
Thank you, you cleared it up and I did not mean to imply you were being judgmental in further comments, I am just sticking up for the SPs and clients, we have, in general, been under scrutiny for so long that I just wanted to use Mary as an example of HOW long, and yes demien is right, nowadays there is a lot of evidence that she was not a whore but an apostle, but regardless, more so I was sticking up for bolt because he is truly a decent guy and I think it is unfair that his being married comes up in the threads so often, we all know a large number of others here are married too but we do not give them a hard time, why bolt? We should not give him a hard time for being honest here, it is refreshing and should be encouraged! Imho.

Sweetie, it had nothing to do with her and all to do with Bolt. I didn't want him to feel judged because he was not.

But thanks for lookin' out!
 
I'm confused about how telling an MPA/SP that you're single gets you better mileage. Someone mentioned if the provider thought they were 'available' they would get better service.

Sometimes we all need to be reminded that GFE means girl friend experience, not girl friend eventually.

In some cases, I don't think its for better mileage, but more for ones own integrity, meaning to say
that your not a complete asshole, as your not cheating on anyone. Again if their telling the truth.
 
Far too often we see people being accused of being judgmental, as a means of controlling the discourse, when the reality is a difference of opinion. Says a lot.

For the most part Femme brings a balanced view of hobby issues and has been doing this for years. Her knowledge of this industry is varied and extensive. It is too bad she is so reticent about expressing her feelings !!! LOL

Again, I was not judging him. That may be your incorrect assumption of my post, but that was not the case. For the record, I didn't judge Mary Magdalene either. I didn't even bring her up.

I also don't agree that we should make everything roses and sunshine here because the world out there has been harsh. However, I am not an escort that has to show favoritism to men here either.

That is just me though. Carry on.

As for the topic at hand, which I should bring it back too. If you have no issues lying to the people you say you love, then why feel any way about lying to someone you don't know.

As for wanting intimacy and non YMMV services based on being the true you, you need to find someone who cares enough about you. An SP/MP simply won't. That is what your wife is suppose to be for.
 
Wow...this is great feedback. There is no harm to being open and sharing what we think of each other. This is actually constructive since it is being done respectful and in the end only benifits the discussion even if the worst things are being said. There is no harm as the majority of us do not know each other.

I think that person would be your wife then, no? Or at least it should be.

Gotta say, I don't get it. You feel bad lying to SP's but not you wife?

Yes I thought about this many times...and discussed it many times and been criticised by other hobby brothers which I appreciate as well. I can also say that maybe she would have a better life if I did not lie to her with somebody else. Or maybe her life might be worse. How would I feel if I knew she was messing around. Am I taking her life? Am I a murdara http://youtu.be/rp4UwPZfRis

You and 10 other people may say yes...but I say no. I see how happy we are together,we share tears, laugh and can still connect on a mental level and people think we are happy and have a good life. Our faughter is happy...why spoil this??? Of corse if she knew it would devistate her but she does not know. I always come back to her regardless if she treats me good or bad. If I thought she was my soul mate maybe it would be different.Maybe it wouldnt. I know that I love to meet other women through this industry as they push me past my emotional and intellectual limits and keep my spirit alive. Without this I feel like a lion in a cage and spirit feels like it is fading away.

Yes I accept that I am a selfish mofo.

I really think this is the last place where we should be judging people for their choices.

Thanks for defending us and for your kind words. I only think this kind of criticism helps...

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As for wanting intimacy and non YMMV services based on being the true you, you need to find someone who cares enough about you. An SP/MP simply won't. That is what your wife is suppose to be for.

No I do not want to do this. There is a lot more power to having this through paying for a service and having it end when you choose. This hardly happens in real life and I like paying for it and it eliminates a lot of drama.

Why should I not have the choice to pay for this if a girl is willing to provide it.

I'm confused about how telling an MPA/SP that you're single gets you better mileage. Someone mentioned if the provider thought they were 'available' they would get better service.

Sometimes we all need to be reminded that GFE means girl friend experience, not girl friend eventually.

Whats the confusion here. The 20 something year old MPAs in top MPs generally are not into FS unless we go to the places that offer this.

There are MPAs who do not feel right to fuck with a married guy who has kids. Simple as this. Their conscious bothers them a lot less when they know you are single. Yes I did have this discussiom with one.

I tried this many times to different degrees, I observe and it does happen all the time. Maybe I am still green with 5 years of hobbying but I see it all the time..Yes it should be service orientated... But fuck me please, we are only people and regardless of how tough we think we are or thick skinned strange shit happens all the time. There is nothing wrong with this.

Titalian;505******** said:
In some cases, I don't think its for better mileage, but more for ones own integrity, meaning to say
that your not a complete asshole, as your not cheating on anyone. Again if their telling the truth.

Yes, I agree. Yes this should not happen but it happens all the time. Clients are judged, girls are judged and this affects how we treat one another.

I am not looking for FS most of the time. Fuck yeah it is nice when the MPA pulls out the secret menue and I am totally horny but there is so much more to this hobby then this one aspect.

Again I say there is a huge difference between SPs and MPAs in my mind. The important part is that both parties are respectful, know each others boundaries and obtain that they need from this industry.
 
It is too bad she is so reticent about expressing her feelings !!! LOL

Now y'know....there are SOME subjects that are just going to make Femme crazy!

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But can you really blame her!? LOL!
 



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Use discretion. The problem is that unfortunately, lying and dishonesty is cemented into the foundation of this industry. There are differing degrees of safety offered by each provider, and some are more capacious for discretion than others.

Exploration and expression is remarkably easier when we sense we are safe; if a lie helps, whatever the situation is, it's not the worst thing committed. It's also possible to admit to one's dishonesty honourably when an opening presents itself. I hope we aim for honesty and mutual respect but the reality is we need to keep ourselves safe.
 
This works both ways, btw. I had a lady ask me to marry her, another one asked for sizeable loan. Kind of spoiled the mood both times.
 
One time I told an MPA that I was a university student just trying to relax from exams and got everything I wanted. I did not repeat with the girl as I did not feel good about lying but later found out that she does not offer this other stuff to many other clients.

Found out from who? I suspect she's offering the "other stuff" to more people than you think. ;)