"Things get redefined for political reasons" is a tenuous argument to begin with.
Going right to "I'm especially upset about the definition of rape" is telling on yourself.
Should Fascism Sit on the Right…or Left?
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Going right to "I'm especially upset about the definition of rape" is telling on yourself.
To be fair, the words have overlapping meanings in many legal jurisdictions as well.
Like Canada, which does not have rape as a crime, only sexual assault.
Fascism is right wing authoritarian, Communism is left wing authoritarian
That's something lots of people seem to have trouble with.
All authoritarianism isn't "fascist".
There are lots of other ways to be authoritarian.
Yes for a while when I was in grad school in the 80s that was the meme being pushed around based upon a survey. I remember the sociologists in particular at my uni were fierce advocates. There was pushback, and even if you look around now there are lots of articles addressing and disputing that statement. Thus it is apparently still a topic.
If it was a meme then it was probably people satirizing the feminist's point of view, no?
That's the way memes work.
Do you remember the survey?
I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim "90% of women were raped" either.
I'm not sure I've ever even seen "90% of women were sexually assaulted".
I personally define small 'f' fascism as 'a method by which fear and physical force are used to obtain obedience'.
Get out and march folks with your peers...
Unfortunately this is not an SNL skit.
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Unbreakable Liberty on Instagram: "In this video, you can hear the suppressed rage of the second speaker—a man who was never allowed to finish his ‘karaoke and karate dojo’ business pitch."
6,125 likes, 2,046 comments - unbreakableliberty on March 13, 2025: "In this video, you can hear the suppressed rage of the second speaker—a man who was never allowed to finish his ‘karaoke and karate dojo’ business pitch.".
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Unfortunately this is not an SNL skit.
Unbreakable Liberty on Instagram: "In this video, you can hear the suppressed rage of the second speaker—a man who was never allowed to finish his ‘karaoke and karate dojo’ business pitch."
6,125 likes, 2,046 comments - unbreakableliberty on March 13, 2025: "In this video, you can hear the suppressed rage of the second speaker—a man who was never allowed to finish his ‘karaoke and karate dojo’ business pitch.".
No I don't remember but I do remember the kerfuffle. In fact i had dated this woman who got knee deep into this world pulling out all sorts of bs that i went along with cuz she was really hot. She told me that statement, she also told me more women were killed in Russia in WWII than men but the patriarchy covered it up etc etc.
I'm thinking Andrea Dworkin or women like that pushing it along with anti pornography etc. It wasn't a mainstream idea, but you can see the backlash to that sort of statement is still a hot topic 40 years later. The agendas of those who keep it alive and keep attacking it does raise questions.
It is 100% not something Dworkin said.
(She has a far more interesting passage about the very concept of consent under patriarchy, but that's not what you are talking about.)
No idea about the Russian WWII thing. At first blush that sounds like weirdo internet bullshit. Maybe one day I will track it down.
As for "backlash to that sort of statement" -- well yes.
Make up a statement your opponents didn't say and then use it to fuel your reactionism is a time-honoured tactic.
As you yourself say, "The agendas of those who keep it alive and keep attacking it does raise questions."
That's why I asked where you thought you possibly heard such a thing.
It's very much the sort of thing those with an anti-feminist agenda would keep alive and keep attacking in order to promote their agenda.
I remember Dworkin was a central character cited alot and she was even teaming up with the fundamentalist going after pornography back then and elements of Shere Hites studies were also out there being interpreted/misinterpreted like crazy. But people would say that shit to your face.
You got to remember the 1980s. The girl I had the hots for told me these "facts" to my face (including the Russian thing, which I knew was bs as russia had like a 2-1 ratio of women to men for a generation after the war or something like that. However I wanted to get laid so I held my tongue back for what I considered better uses lol). So it wasn't internet then, but you'd find these documents and pamphlets from these extreme groups. I remember the Spartucus youth group who were always attacking the uni and big corporations, and they were communist. They'd argue in their rallies about free speech and denied they were about recruitment of vulnerable youth but their internal docs from their meetings thwt another ex gf gave me (one of her pals was a member and tried to recruit her showed it was all about recruitment lol.
The was also a whole bunch of revisionist black history going around like how the ancient Greeks like Aristotle got all their knowledge by stealing it from africans/Egyptians etc. These were passed around in multi-photocopied documents that were blurry etc. Thus in the deep recesses of ivy league academia people were floating all this shit out back then.
Even the skeptics joined in
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“It is of course possible to sympathize with James, and with his anger at a society that has paid little tribute to real African achievement. Unfortunately Stolen Legacy not only does not help the Afrocentric cause, it hinders it.” Since its publication in 1954 Stolen Legacy, by George G. M...
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One time during a February, I paid two dollars for a pamphlet named The Black Human. The author's dissertation was that only Black people were human, because 'hue' means colour.
I'm not kidding.
BTW although this was on the left the right was full of this too. I remember Birch society pamphlets and we had a security guard who was always getting these VHS tapes from lyndon larouche and other conspiracies including the flat earth. I was always polite and working in the lab late and he'd prattle on about this and that and i'd just sort of give polite responses cuz i was tired and wanted to go home and finish whatever i was doing. I believe the internet turbo charged these folks.
Dworkin was the "uber-villain" of "feminists are scary and ridiculous" for a long time.
She probably still used that way.
She gets trotted out for the "Feminists say all heterosexual sex is rape" scare stories, not the "feminsits say 90% of women have been raped".
I remember them quite well.
Oh, we're nutpicking.
Well sure.
If the criteria is "anyone on the planet said it once" (or even said that someone else said it) then sure.
Just about every claim ever on the planet has existed if that's the bar.
Áfrocentrism still exists. And notice it wasn't hard at all for you to find an actual book and public debate about it. Stolen legacy and the extremes of that field are well documented.The was also a whole bunch of revisionist black history going around like how the ancient Greeks like Aristotle got all their knowledge by stealing it from africans/Egyptians etc. These were passed around in multi-photocopied documents that were blurry etc. Thus in the deep recesses of ivy league academia people were floating all this shit out back then.
Even the skeptics joined in
Stolen Legacy (or Mythical History?) Did the Greeks Steal Philosophy From the Egyptians?
“It is of course possible to sympathize with James, and with his anger at a society that has paid little tribute to real African achievement. Unfortunately Stolen Legacy not only does not help the Afrocentric cause, it hinders it.” Since its publication in 1954 Stolen Legacy, by George G. M...
Even then, I'd dismiss a claim that "civil rights activists believe that all European culture was stolen from Egypt" as not true.
Sounds like you had a ridiculous colleague.
They weren't claiming false numbers of the coding though, were they?
Yes, this shit was going on. It wasnt just some single person. They held rallies too. The take back the night marches had people holding such signs.
BTW Dworkin had a series of public rows with Camille Paglia (as maybe everyone did w Paglia lol) fighting over what feminism really meant. So it was quite a turbulent time with people always pushing the boundaries in all directions.
BTW on the coding issue I responded that maybe my coding means women have twice the worth of men hoping to make it go away..but I still got criticized, including one who insisted on spelling it womyn. I actually told her (she was a radical lesbianism feminist - her words btw) that she was onto something that I agree I'd much rather have sex with a woman than a bloke and she stewed over that but eventually filed a complaint and I said sorry my cultural differences rendered me insensitive.
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