Should Canada have mandatory military service

[oil&gas]

Back in the day I met a few American draft dodgers, maybe you too.

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People will volunteer to fight for their homes and families. But they should not be forced to fight in foreign lands. Thats what the draft gives power hungry people. The means to use military forces for personal gain, at no cost to themselves.

I concur and yet I wonder if it would've been a good thing had every youth wanted
to be a draft dodger during WWII. Were I a youth back then and between leaving the
country to risk their lives to safeguard liberty and democracy for future generations
and riding on a bicycle wearing a German helmet in Montreal like Pierre Trudeau
I would've been tempted to join the future PM of Canada in the dark side. While
In principle I do not support mandatory enlistment to the army I think there are
measures we can introduce to bring more young people into the military. Perhaps
incentives like grants and aids for those who complete military services to further
their education can be an option to consider.

And its quite simply Unconstitutional. The Govt doesn't have the right to order someone to kill another.

 

[escortsxxx]

A larger percentage of women warriors should help put an end to sexual
assault in the military but consensual sex might become rampant at army
bases.

Somebody said that sex is best in the barracks I thought it was Bismarck but I can't find the quote

 

[escortsxxx]

I concur and yet I wonder if it would've been a good thing had every youth wanted
to be a draft dodger during WWII. Were I a youth back then and between leaving the
country to risk their lives to safeguard liberty and democracy for future generations
and riding on a bicycle wearing a German helmet in Montreal like Pierre Trudeau
I would've been tempted to join the future PM of Canada in the dark side. While
In principle I do not support mandatory enlistment to the army I think there are
measures we can introduce to bring more young people into the military. Perhaps
incentives like grants and aids for those who complete military services to further
their education can be an option to consider.

You could make many Schooling Only available at the higher level so those are complete service. We're having join the reserve Go to work just as well. That would leave money for the talented and superior immigrants who do far better than Canadian porn here because we only pick the best around the world Of which we have 1,000,000,000 plusTo pick from. Stuck with a Canadian pool where we get low Talent unmotivated people.

 

[Darts]

riding on a bicycle wearing a German helmet in Montreal like Pierre Trudeau

Being from Quebec I heard that story many times but when I retell it some people don't believe me.
BTW1: He rode that motorcycle through Montreal's Jewish neighbourhoods.
BTW2: The Francophone players (with maybe a rare exception) with the Habs did not serve in the military.

 

[Butler1000]

I concur and yet I wonder if it would've been a good thing had every youth wanted

to be a draft dodger during WWII. Were I a youth back then and between leaving the

country to risk their lives to safeguard liberty and democracy for future generations

and riding on a bicycle wearing a German helmet in Montreal like Pierre Trudeau

I would've been tempted to join the future PM of Canada in the dark side. While

In principle I do not support mandatory enlistment to the army I think there are

measures we can introduce to bring more young people into the military. Perhaps

incentives like grants and aids for those who complete military services to further

their education can be an option to consider.

The nature of war has changed. The days of untrained infantry are basically over. Tech has usurped numbers.

 

[Frankfooter]

Might as well make them play video games for a year in prep for running drones.

 

[Leimonis]

Might as well make them play video games for a year in prep for running drones.

but it has to be forceful and unpleasant so that they would get used to obeying orders

 

[purpleshaft]

Absolutely.

A good way to encourage physical health, discipline, respect for firearms, sacrifice, allegiance/pride in country, and many other values.

Funny I never thought of that obvious and very good point.

 

[SQUAD51]

The military is not a social program to "sort out" kids.
Works in movies, maybe in boy scouts, but not in the real world. Kind of like "Pretty Woman" as reflection of SW. Its just not real.
Leave the army as the committed hard core soldiers they are, with what little budget the current brain trust decides to allow them.
If whiney troublesome kids haven't bought into a borderline commitment to school, they definitely will flame out HARD with instructors screaming in their face.
Our military has enough "secondary" tasks, If we want to mold our youth, establish a labour corps.
In a national service labour corps
Every 18 yr old spends 18 months somewhere in the province or the country cleaning up garbage in parks, road sides, swamps, clearing deadwood, cutting trails etc. They can do the disaster clean up and sand bags for floods and forest fire work. Get paid minimum wage. Room and board provided. Live in trailers just like the pipeline and oilfield workers.
Volunteer to spend 4 yrs and pay for their post secondary schooling- apprenticeship, college or one undergrad in university THAT IS IN DEMAND rather than the gender studies, French literature.

 

[Valcazar]

Our military has enough "secondary" tasks, If we want to mold our youth, establish a labour corps.
In a national service labour corps

There are issues here as well, of course, but using something like a labour corps to reduce the number of non-military things we use military for is an idea people should look at seriously.

 

[danmand]

There are issues here as well, of course, but using something like a labour corps to reduce the number of non-military things we use military for is an idea people should look at seriously.

If we want to give our young people an education, we can easily find something more worthwhile than educating them in killing.

PS: it is ironic that we pay young people to receive an education in killing, but we demand high tuition fees for any other education. Think about it.

 

[mandrill]

Somebody said that sex is best in the barracks I thought it was Bismarck but I can't find the quote

It was The Village People, IIRC.

 

[Butler1000]

There are issues here as well, of course, but using something like a labour corps to reduce the number of non-military things we use military for is an idea people should look at seriously.

Why not just do what they do in the States and use prison labour as slave labour?

 

[Leimonis]

Why not just do what they do in the States and use prison labour as slave labour?

also why not use inmates as soldiers as they do in Russia right now?

 

[Valcazar]

Why not just do what they do in the States and use prison labour as slave labour?

Because prison labor is pretty fucking horrible.
But even assuming you wanted to do that, how would prison labor help in those kinds of missions?

 

[jalimon]

I would not be against a one year mandatory service, run by the military for discipline, but not to trained them to defend the country.

I would make them do special mission. Clean up our river/forest where needed. Clean up our city. Clean up and replair residential house of poor people.
Help in schools to repair them. Help with our elderly in nurses home, etc...

They would learn new skills, collective work, empathy towards the elderly and poor.

 

[Butler1000]

Because prison labor is pretty fucking horrible.
But even assuming you wanted to do that, how would prison labor help in those kinds of missions?

So forcing 18 year olds to do it would work out better?

 

[Butler1000]

also why not use inmates as soldiers as they do in Russia right now?

The quick success the Russians had kinda answers that......

 

[chrispalen]

The quick success the Russians had kinda answers that......

Let the USA pay for all the army and let us use them as danger arise. Not any time soon we will face danger.
We are already going to pay them $19 billions for the F35 jets. That is enough. No need to have our own army.
Too many army sexual abuse issues.

CP

 

[Valcazar]

So forcing 18 year olds to do it would work out better?

What do you think people are going to be forced to do if this concept gets off the ground?

(And, as I said, there is problems with the idea of a broader compulsory service as well.)