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Should Canada bring back the death penalty?

Should Canada reinstate the death penalty?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 52.8%
  • No

    Votes: 17 47.2%

  • Total voters
    36

Kautilya

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Not even smart enough know. Facts like opinions don’t run countries. Parties do and they follow laws ( most of the time ) Nor know that laws are a reflection of societies morals. Hence moral issues like abortion, unassisted change or can.

Now move on troll, bigot, lying elitist racist. I can say that because you fit definitions of them in spades.
We are not talking policy. We are talking whether or not families of murder victims feel closure when the perp dies. They don't. They've said so. That is fact. Not opinion, or societal morals. And name calling again.
 
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Not getting younger

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We are not talking policy. We are talking whether or not families of murder victims feel closure when the perp dies. They don't. They've said so. That is fact. Not opinion, or societal morals. And name calling again.
Let’s walk you through it. You’re a lying troll and more that isn’t all that smart…. If you don’t like being called what you are, that’s your problem. You’ve also more than earned them Mr OHRC papi..haven’t you. You have the freedom and choice to do something about it….or not.

After I posted an “opinion” in a free country. On a moral issue where there’s no black or white..You jumped all over it like the lying pos with something to prove you are. Even when it was suggested politely to “move on”, you couldn’t let it go…….. let others express theirs….

Thanks for playing.
 

Kautilya

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Let’s walk you through it. You’re a lying troll and more. If you don’t like being called what you, that’s your problem. You have the freedom and choice to do something about it….

After I posted an “opinion” in a free country. On a moral issue where there no black or white..You jumped all over it like the existing you are. Even when it was suggested politely to “move on”, let others express their….
You name called for no reason. Thats all that matters. I was just responding to posts normally.
 
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Knuckle Ball

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The death penalty has been shown to have no deterrent effect on serious crimes. It is no more effective in deterring violent crime than a life sentence.

So…if it serves no preventive purpose, the only reason for the death penalty is retribution and whatever dubious relief/pleasure it might offer.
 
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Should lower the young offenders age to 16 instead of 18. These punks think they are invincible.
 

DesRicardo

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The death penalty has been shown to have no deterrent effect on serious crimes. It is no more effective in deterring violent crime than a life sentence.

So…if it serves no preventive purpose, the only reason for the death penalty is retribution and whatever dubious relief/pleasure it might offer.
It also serves as a punishment.
 
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JohnLarue

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I voted no, but how can Canada legally allow assisted suicide while saying it's wrong to have capital punishment?


assisted suicide- the dead person was a willing participant
Homicide- the dead person was an unwilling participant

I can see the dilemma in the case you posted, not a pleasant story
 

speakercontrols

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No matter how heinous the crime, the death penalty should never be brought back.

The state should not have a right to execute citizens because:

a) Killing someone is not justice. Pronouncing them guilty is. So they could very well just be locked up instead of being killed.
b) The death penalty does not deter crime. Just look at the US.
c) It is not for the state, to indulge in retribution on behalf of someone else. The state is not the citizens henchman.

On the other hand, the ability of the state to kill its citizens is fundamentally oppressive, even if said citizen is an incorrigible and untreatable psychopath. I mean for people worried about big govt. does it get any bigger? lol.

I also consider steps to move away from the death penalty as a step toward being a more civilized people. I wouldn't want to see a regression on that front if that makes sense.
Well argued.
 

Leimonis

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On a semi related note, isn’t it amazing that Israel does not have death penalty? They keep a bunch of convicted murderers in jail and then exchange them back.
 
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Joyrection

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On a semi related note, isn’t it amazing that Israel does not have death penalty? They keep a bunch of convicted murderers in jail and then exchange them back.
That only works where people get kidnapped and they exchange 20 Arab prisoners for one Jewish prisoner. It is telling of how they value the lives of their citizens VS the lives of outsiders. Ask it is not like they don't hunt down and kill people much as they are doing now.
 

Kautilya

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That only works where people get kidnapped and they exchange 20 Arab prisoners for one Jewish prisoner. It is telling of how they value the lives of their citizens VS the lives of outsiders. Ask it is not like they don't hunt down and kill people much as they are doing now.
Except they also have the Hannibal Directive. Of the 1200 people that were killed on October 7, almost half were killed by Israeli military actions as they did not know who they were shooting at and in many cases chose to kill hostages because they did not want the headache. They were also relying on whatsapp groups because command was non-existent. They dont really value lives.

What this documentary:

 

Joyrection

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Except they also have the Hannibal Directive. Of the 1200 people that were killed on October 7, almost half were killed by Israeli military actions as they did not know who they were shooting at and in many cases chose to kill hostages because they did not want the headache. They were also relying on whatsapp groups because command was non-existent. They dont really value lives.

What this documentary:

Or were some of the hostages much like some of the innocent Palestinians used as human shields by Hamas? Tunnels under hospitals? WTF. Continuing to fight a war when it results in 3/4 of your community being destroyed and over 35,000 deaths, nearly the whole population displaced and soon to suffer famine and desease? Sounds like the actions of a death cult.
 

Kautilya

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Or were some of the hostages much like some of the innocent Palestinians used as human shields by Hamas? Tunnels under hospitals? WTF. Continuing to fight a war when it results in 3/4 of your community being destroyed and over 35,000 deaths, nearly the whole population displaced and soon to suffer famine and desease? Sounds like the actions of a death cult.
A lot of the tunnels, were actually built by Israel before they left in 2005. Ehud Barak actually admitted that on CNN. Also the tunnels are necessary. There is a land, air and sea blockade in Gaza. They bring shit like KFC through those tunnels.

And here is the other thing. Human shields, are debatable, and using human shields is a war crime per international law. But killing human shields is ALSO a war crime per international law.

Also did you read a month or two ago, when 3 Israeli hostages escaped, stripped down to their underwear, held a white flag, and came out of the tunnel with their hands up - and the IDF shot them. EVEN if they were Hamas, why will Israel kill surrendering POWs? That is again a war crime and it shows you what they are doing.

And it isn't really a "war". Israel is using fighter jets against AK 47s? Is that a war? It is an assault on Gaza and the Palestinian people in an act of genocide. That is all it is. And the Israelis consider every single Gazan as Hamas. Per the Israeli President, "There are no non-combatants in Gaza" - when 70% of the population of Gaza are children, women and the elderly.

The bottomline is they have no conception of Palestinians as human beings and have ZERO value for life. They have no real value for life for their own people, because if they did they wouldn't be carpet bombing locations where hostages are being held - I mean what kind of strategy is THAT to get your hostages out? And they have even less regard - or I should say ZERO regard for Palestinians. That has pretty much been their mentality for the last 75 years.
 

Joyrection

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Just to refocus, the organizers of Oct 7th are dead or dead men walking. So while Israel may not have the death penalty for "ordinary" crimes of murder they sure as hell make up for when it comes to terrorists and terrorist organizers and financiers.
 

Kautilya

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Just to refocus, the organizers of Oct 7th are dead or dead men walking. So while Israel may not have the death penalty for "ordinary" crimes of murder they sure as hell make up for when it comes to terrorists and terrorist organizers and financiers.
They are in Qatar. Why is Israel attacking Gaza?
 

Joyrection

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They are in Qatar. Why is Israel attacking Gaza?
Just because it the thing to do while the world is watching. Bebe knows he can never leave Israel because he will be prosecuted for crimes against humanity and when he steps down (his political career is over) he may still face corruption charges within Israel, unless he gets some strong political protection from his far right supporters.
 
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gollumtroll

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No we should not bring back the death penalty because there is too much corruption in law enforcement.
 

NotADcotor

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The death penalty has been shown to have no deterrent effect on serious crimes. It is no more effective in deterring violent crime than a life sentence.

So…if it serves no preventive purpose, the only reason for the death penalty is retribution and whatever dubious relief/pleasure it might offer.
Dead people don't get released and commit more crime.

Also nothing wrong with retribution and the resulting relief and pleasure that results



If he gets put in an electric chair break out the popcorn.
 

NotADcotor

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They are in Qatar. Why is Israel attacking Gaza?
He said "or dead men walking"

The Hamas is found in Gaza, anything that fucks them up is good... I mean unless you are the sort of person who faps to rape, murder and hostage taking like you and Frankie

ANyhow, either you know this are you are being an angle between 90 and 180 degrees or your hate blinds you.
Either way
 
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