Should Canada Ban Handguns??
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I remember when high schools use to have small bore rifle ranges in their basements
. In fact, some of these ranges are still in use but not by the high school though.
Glow
. In fact, some of these ranges are still in use but not by the high school though.Glow
pepsiman said:
Canadians, or at least urban Canadians, have become paranoid children, who think the answers to all lifes problems, both simple and complex, can be solved by "the Government"
A gun, is a simple, elegant tool, that exploits the benifits of physics.
I am niether a gun owner, or a gun lover, but I can't fathom the people on this board that find them scary.
What is scary, is the seemingly large opinion that people in general are NOT to be trusted to act in a civilized matter.
When we "ban" things, it is the same as treating the populus as a bunch of first graders that have been naughty.
Come on guys...We are the voters, the real power behind this country.
I HATE being treated like a child.
Banning stuff, be it guns or drugs, is quite frankly a simplistic and un-workable way of stopping the gang shootouts.
Is it completely wrong to belive that I should be able to protect myself, and my family.
What if I don't trust your Government to do it?
A gun, is a simple, elegant tool, that exploits the benifits of physics.
I am niether a gun owner, or a gun lover, but I can't fathom the people on this board that find them scary.
What is scary, is the seemingly large opinion that people in general are NOT to be trusted to act in a civilized matter.
When we "ban" things, it is the same as treating the populus as a bunch of first graders that have been naughty.
Come on guys...We are the voters, the real power behind this country.
I HATE being treated like a child.
Banning stuff, be it guns or drugs, is quite frankly a simplistic and un-workable way of stopping the gang shootouts.
Is it completely wrong to belive that I should be able to protect myself, and my family.
What if I don't trust your Government to do it?
Get into the Real World
This government has been in power for over 12 years and our Prime Minister has ordered. "No More Guns".............hmmmmmmmmm.
Why are we not listening to him?
Yeah right.............and how many illegal guns did that take off the streets? In fact, just increased the power of the criminal element, same as NO MORE DRUGS........and look where that policy is now.
Until no bail will be given for those caught with illegal guns until after trial, and disclosure "protecting identity" of those willingly to testify...then illegal guns and criminals will prevail. Within days off the big police raids last summer all those criminals gang members were released on bail...and even a guy with a semi automatic was released on bail who had pointed a gun at the police. But did not our police chief say NO MORE.........and our Prime Minister too...
In fact, I really feel for the police, as they must have one of the most frustrating times seeing someone they have busted their rears getting off the street, at risk to their own lives, released within hours.
Be interesting to see real stats..on how many of the criminal victims were already parents in their teens, had been previously released by the courts for gun crimes, and for drugs that the courts were unwilling to hold them for. Yet, no one wants to tell the real story. All we hear is about how he/she wanted to go back to school, everyone liked him, his mother loved him.
The politicians will all make bold statements during this election and the next one..............but they continue to allow the homeless situation to control the streets, the Youth prisons are closing...as we do not lock them up anymore...they get community service...and then we have cut back on the Social Programs to follow through even on that sentence.
Yet, we will elect a government that has done more criminal activity with our tax money than most of the street criminals as a group. No accountablity.
Oh yeah...lets raid a massage parlour and send a young girl back to the triads and slavery when we as Canadians allowed her to come here under our "exotic dancer policy". Now that truly will make us all feel safer.
This government has been in power for over 12 years and our Prime Minister has ordered. "No More Guns".............hmmmmmmmmm.
Why are we not listening to him?
Yeah right.............and how many illegal guns did that take off the streets? In fact, just increased the power of the criminal element, same as NO MORE DRUGS........and look where that policy is now.
Until no bail will be given for those caught with illegal guns until after trial, and disclosure "protecting identity" of those willingly to testify...then illegal guns and criminals will prevail. Within days off the big police raids last summer all those criminals gang members were released on bail...and even a guy with a semi automatic was released on bail who had pointed a gun at the police. But did not our police chief say NO MORE.........and our Prime Minister too...
In fact, I really feel for the police, as they must have one of the most frustrating times seeing someone they have busted their rears getting off the street, at risk to their own lives, released within hours.
Be interesting to see real stats..on how many of the criminal victims were already parents in their teens, had been previously released by the courts for gun crimes, and for drugs that the courts were unwilling to hold them for. Yet, no one wants to tell the real story. All we hear is about how he/she wanted to go back to school, everyone liked him, his mother loved him.
The politicians will all make bold statements during this election and the next one..............but they continue to allow the homeless situation to control the streets, the Youth prisons are closing...as we do not lock them up anymore...they get community service...and then we have cut back on the Social Programs to follow through even on that sentence.
Yet, we will elect a government that has done more criminal activity with our tax money than most of the street criminals as a group. No accountablity.
Oh yeah...lets raid a massage parlour and send a young girl back to the triads and slavery when we as Canadians allowed her to come here under our "exotic dancer policy". Now that truly will make us all feel safer.
Actually I was just thinking there has always been violence and there always will be violence. Guns just enable a more detached and executable type of violence.Glowing Member said:People
The guns have always been here. What we should be asking is what has changed to make people use them against other people!
Think about it
Glow
As a society we are too caught up in pride and self.
I really think we need an intensive parent training program
...banning guns is not the answer, empowering our children to resolve conflicts and teaching them to believe in themselves and their futures is.
...banning guns is not the answer, empowering our children to resolve conflicts and teaching them to believe in themselves and their futures is.
Huh? Is it "pride" and self-centered to want to protect myself? Or is it just logical?pool said:
What if I truly belive the Government can't properly take care of my protection?
What if I truly belive it's MY responsibility..?
Funny how you interpreted it that way. I said society. Pride and self is, in part, what drives people to violence. It also gets in the way of working toward a realistic solution, which is on a far grander scale than just the individual. Paranoia and fear is another symptom of society.
I think both are part of the answer, no ?wop said:
Assuming, that some of the individuals involved in these crimes even have parents.
I don't believe banning guns is the answer, but a no tolerance policy may eventually influence the use of guns to some degree. The problem needs addressing on many fronts at many levels otherwise little will change, or maybe more correctly, our path will continue as it is.
it's just so fuckin sad that a life was lost.
IMHO, Guns don't kill people, People kill People....
Even if they ban hand guns whats that going to do? Stop the killings? NO!
Half these deaths are from hand guns brought up from the states, and whats stopping a guy from killing some one with a Knife or a Pen? Are we going to ban Knifes and Pens? (yes i can kill someone with a regular ballpoint pen).
I honestly don't have the answers either and something has to be done i agree but banning hand guns isn't going to make this go away, sorry...
IMHO
Even if they ban hand guns whats that going to do? Stop the killings? NO!
Half these deaths are from hand guns brought up from the states, and whats stopping a guy from killing some one with a Knife or a Pen? Are we going to ban Knifes and Pens? (yes i can kill someone with a regular ballpoint pen).
I honestly don't have the answers either and something has to be done i agree but banning hand guns isn't going to make this go away, sorry...
IMHO
ISOMSOG said:
No it won't make things go away, but it will send a message.
Pens are not designed as a weapon, yes it can be used as one but it is not designed as one.
Knives on the other hand are designed for cutting, some have been designed as weapons like switch blades and butterfly knives, but those weapons are banned in Canada.
Hand Guns and Automatic Weapons have no real purpose.
Just my impression, and no not thanks to Michael Moore, but it does seem that places where handguns are illegal there are less killings. I'd be curious to see "reliable" stats on this with population taken into account. I'm not saying guns are the root of the problem - they are just an extension. I fully realise that it's not hard to obtain a gun illegally, but if my impression is correct it would seem there is still a correlation between gun laws and killings. I do believe our values as a whole, in part, shape the actions of a few.
For anyone who thinks killing people as retribution for killing people sends the right message on a societal level, it just makes no sense whatsoever. It is in line with gang mentality though and helps to reinforce glorified violence and vengeance conveyed by our media etc
I don't give a fuck what people think abt "political correctness" it is the right direction to lean in. Empathy and respect for one another combined with affirming the value of human life is just common sense, if we are to maintain some semblance of a message of civility within society. If we truly want a less violent society we have to live it and scrap the macho indignant arrogance crap.
Trying to place blame and vent our own frustrations, bias and prejudices on TERB, rather than address the bigger issue, every time an event like this happens won't do anything.
PS sorry if I'm going off topic, but save for a few posts the other thread is a shambles
For anyone who thinks killing people as retribution for killing people sends the right message on a societal level, it just makes no sense whatsoever. It is in line with gang mentality though and helps to reinforce glorified violence and vengeance conveyed by our media etc
I don't give a fuck what people think abt "political correctness" it is the right direction to lean in. Empathy and respect for one another combined with affirming the value of human life is just common sense, if we are to maintain some semblance of a message of civility within society. If we truly want a less violent society we have to live it and scrap the macho indignant arrogance crap.
Trying to place blame and vent our own frustrations, bias and prejudices on TERB, rather than address the bigger issue, every time an event like this happens won't do anything.
PS sorry if I'm going off topic, but save for a few posts the other thread is a shambles
ronzodd said:
When I was in grade four, I made a nice paper airplane. A few of us had competitions on who could fly it the furthest down the hall. Then a few jack asses started to throw paper airplanes at the teachers behind there back. Then the School banned paper airplanes, us inocent lawabiding students were punished just the same as the jack asses who whiping them at the teachers.
If this can work in grade four it can work now. Too many people can't handle having a gun. So Gun Collectors will have to suffer as well.
The message should be....NO GUNS for anyone!!!!
I gotta agree, that is leaning toward part of the answer, even if it may tread on civil liberties, but to what extent would have to be determined by what we as a whole would consider reasonable intrusions. It needs to be addressed at a community level as well though if the cycle is ever to be minimized.ronzodd said:
Again, we are too caught up in self and immediate goals. A more unified anti gun mindset along with addressing poverty, parenting, family structure etc etc if effectively implemented, long term should and I think would reduce the tendency toward criminal activity.
no ?
no ?
