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Just because it is free, don't mean people want it. While some guys may never turn down free pussy, I am sure there are some men out there that will. A free pussy isn't always a good thing either
Free pussy?

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A caimpaign sign can be just as easily removed.
It's illegal for political parties and politicians to randomly place signs on private property, they need your permission to do so. The U2 songs were included on iTunes. You don't own iTunes, Apple does and if you read the fine print I'm sure you'll find that they're within their right to do so. You are not obligated to purchase an iPhone. Your comparison is pointless.

I also wish computer companies would stop shoving unasked for begware and other crap on a new computer.
I agree, and this is a better comparison than an unwanted campaign sign on your front lawn. You aren't obligated to purchase said computer, however if you do, you can simply delete any unwanted crap. Just like you can with the U2 album.

Is having U2 songs shoved on your device the same thing as Cancer, the Holocaust or being forced to go to a Justin Beiber concert. No duh
I'm glad you see it that way.

However it is an anoyance. Yes it is an easy to delete anoyance but why the fuck should a user have to delete it. Never asked for it.
Because Apple made the product and chose to pay U2 $100 million to include them on their new phones. You've spent an awful lot of time complaining about this trivial first world problem when you should be directing your anger at Apple. Have you sent them an email to complain? Or better yet, returned your iPhone 6 as a sign of protest? That would show them how you really feel.

Also if it is acceptible in this case, how about 5 albums, How about 10. How about a 100 a day. After all you can just delete it and if you have space, no problem. Right.
Ahhhhh yes, the slippery slope. I've heard of that. Now show me an example that.

I am guessing either Gameboy is either trolling or he is so totally gay for U2 or Apple that he can see no wrong no matter what, much like woodpecker and Linux or Unions.
I'm trolling? My point from the beginning is that this is a first world problem. A handful of free songs which you can easily delete if you don't want them. As for U2, I like some of their early stuff but that's about it. Never seen them live. I don't think that qualifies me as being "gay" for them.

Yeah you can easily delete it, or Apple can easily not be complete dicks.
I agree. Have you written them to complain yet?

I don't use apple products because... well I have functioning brain cells and am not some sort of fashion whore. However I do spend a bit of effort crafting my mp3 collection, get rid of songs that are OK but not great. Keeping it lean and trim. Ditto for porn.
If some fucknuts decided to just add to my list willy nilly even if I could delete the extra additions with a single click, I'd give his that WTF look and although I'd never do it, I'd want to give said person a boot the the head. My collection, fuck off. Plain and simple.
You're getting this bent out of shape and you don't even have the iPhone 6? That's hilarious. Get back to me when Apple starts randomly uploading songs to your iTunes. lol

I've never purchased an Apple product but I do have iTunes on my PC which I sync to my BlackBerry.

Again, nobody can be that stupid, so Gameboy, be honest, are you trolling to just gay [and if so is it for Apple or for U2, do you fap to bono perhaps?]
Dude, what's with the gay inference? That's just a lame. I have stated my position on Apple and U2 above.

Also it is obvious some sort of deal.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/09/19/u2s-bono-album-release-was-designed-to-annoy-the-public

Irish rockers U2 wanted to annoy the record-buying public with their Apple-managed album release, according to frontman Bono...
"So I'm very excited that we got so many people annoyed and just being discussed. The only thing that could have gone wrong is being ignored which is perfectly understandable after all these years of being around."


What fucking attention whoring cunts.
Very rich attention whoring cunts at that. I detect a certain amount of jealousy on your part. You really need to get over it, especially since you don't have an iPhone 6 and didn't have to spend a grueling 30 seconds deleting the songs. lol
 

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The point of this whole thing is that people were given something they didn't ask for, and it turns out that a good many of them didn't want it. For the people who were happy to receive, good for them. For those weren't, now it's their problem to get rid of this thing they never wanted or asked for in the first place. Don't kid yourself. It was not done for your benefit. Yes, I know that getting rid of it is easy to do, but that does not excuse what was done in the first place.
Nobody forced you to buy an iPhone 6. #firstworldproblems

And since removing sign on your lawn is also not difficult to do, I invite everyone to place DoFo signs on Gameboy27's front lawn. And while you're at it, you should let your dog use his lawn as a toilet.

Removing either one does not take much effort. He will understand. If he complains, well, he's just making moronic statements. I'm sure he doesn't remove every single thing that ends up on his lawn, so his argument about people giving him stuff he didn't ask for is pointless. If he doesn't mind, it's win-win. If he does mind, well, I can't imagine that he would. After all, he's getting stuff for free.
Placing unwanted signs, dumping junk or having your dog crap on someone's private property are all illegal. If someone was doing that, I'd be calling the Police. How is that even remotely close to what Apple did? If you don't like it, don't buy an iPhone 6.

You really need to come up with a better argument which doesn't rely on illegal activities for your comparison.
 

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Nobody forced you to buy an iPhone 6. #firstworldproblems



Placing unwanted signs, dumping junk or having your dog crap on someone's private property are all illegal. If someone was doing that, I'd be calling the Police. How is that even remotely close to what Apple did? If you don't like it, don't buy an iPhone 6.

You really need to come up with a better argument which doesn't rely on illegal activities for your comparison.
But it is an apt comparison. Still, for your sake, I'll give you one that is a closer parallel...

My GM car had a faulty ignition switch thingie, part of the big recall I'm sure you heard about. GM wants to do me the favour (as Apple was doing everyone a solid by giving them free shitty music) and repair it. Say I drive up to the GM dealership and park my car there (to avoid any objections about trespass on my property). Do they have the right to enter my car and fix it without my explicit consent? Fuck no.

If you purchase something, it becomes your property and it should be illegal for a third party to do anything to or with it without your permission. And while pissing and moaning about a free shitty album from some shitty has-been musicians might strike you as churlish, it's all part of a horrible trend that few seem aware of or concerned about. When you buy a piece of technology - not subscribe or pay a licence, but buy it - it should be yours from then on. Anyone that fucks with it, accesses or alters it in any way without permission should indeed be regared as performing a criminal act. Just because that shit be all electronic like doesn't mean that shit be any less real than your lawn and the election sign, or my car and its faulty ignition switch (you'll get my faulty ignition switch when you pry my cold dead fingers from it, motherfuckers!!). It's bad enough that companies put awful DRM restrictions on mp3s and movies I buy and supposedly own, they are actually going to pull that shit with hardware now too? Fuck no!
 

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Nobody forced you to buy an iPhone 6. #firstworldproblems

Placing unwanted signs, dumping junk or having your dog crap on someone's private property are all illegal. If someone was doing that, I'd be calling the Police. How is that even remotely close to what Apple did? If you don't like it, don't buy an iPhone 6.

You really need to come up with a better argument which doesn't rely on illegal activities for your comparison.
What about junk mail? It used to be the case that you could not refuse to receive it. The reason was that if company X wanted you and a million other nameless people to receive notice about their upcoming sale, the post office was bound by law to deliver.
If you didn't want it in the first place, too bad for you. Getting it out of your life became your problem. Now we do have the option to refuse the delivery of junk mail. That gives the owner of the mailbox more control over what goes into it. This is a good thing. Before that, you could argue that your mailbox, that you paid for, was there to benefit all the organizations that wanted you to buy whatever they were selling. You could not say no.


There are people out there who support DoFo. If someone put a sign on their lawn, would they call the cops? I don't think so. For all I know you could well be one of those people. If you liked the sign on your lawn, you'd leave it there. If you didn't, you'd remove it. The same is true for dog shit. There must at least a few people out there who would use it to fertilize their garden, and welcome getting it for free over driving to the Home Depot garden centre and paying for it. For all I know you could be one of those people.

Apple & U2 decided to take up space on your iPod. Too bad if you don't like it and don't want it. You can't refuse. Getting it out of your life is now your problem. That, for the umpteenth time, is what's at issue here.

If you're hung up on the issue of legality, and private property, consider this-

For all the people who paid hundreds for their iPods, don't they have any right to decide what gets stored on them? This is a sincere question, not rhetorical. I know that software licence terms are very biased in favour of the vendor, not the purchaser. So how does it work? Does Apple make you pay them for the hardware but retain control over how it is used? If that's the way it is, then it's the same as the old laws on delivering junk mail. You own the hardware but you don't control it. Your rights are diminished. You must accept whatever company x decides to put inside. Again, don't kid yourself. They are not doing this for your benefit. And if that's the way it is with buying Apple product, then I still won't be buying any of their stuff for a long time.
 

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But it is an apt comparison. Still, for your sake, I'll give you one that is a closer parallel...

My GM car had a faulty ignition switch thingie, part of the big recall I'm sure you heard about. GM wants to do me the favour (as Apple was doing everyone a solid by giving them free shitty music) and repair it. Say I drive up to the GM dealership and park my car there (to avoid any objections about trespass on my property). Do they have the right to enter my car and fix it without my explicit consent? Fuck no.

If you purchase something, it becomes your property and it should be illegal for a third party to do anything to or with it without your permission. And while pissing and moaning about a free shitty album from some shitty has-been musicians might strike you as churlish, it's all part of a horrible trend that few seem aware of or concerned about. When you buy a piece of technology - not subscribe or pay a licence, but buy it - it should be yours from then on. Anyone that fucks with it, accesses or alters it in any way without permission should indeed be regared as performing a criminal act. Just because that shit be all electronic like doesn't mean that shit be any less real than your lawn and the election sign, or my car and its faulty ignition switch (you'll get my faulty ignition switch when you pry my cold dead fingers from it, motherfuckers!!). It's bad enough that companies put awful DRM restrictions on mp3s and movies I buy and supposedly own, they are actually going to pull that shit with hardware now too? Fuck no!
As far as I know, Apple owns iTunes and I'm sure if you read the terms and conditions you'll see they're well within their legal right to include a dozen songs with the purchase of one of their products.

This sums it up nicely.

At the end of Apple's recent iPhone 6 and Apple Watch event, Tim Cook had one more surprise up his sleeve: U2's new album, Songs of Innocence, would be available to every iTunes Store customer in more than 100 countries, completely free. Many people are happy for the new album, but it's created an equal amount of controversy. It's just a free album, folks. Settle down.

Let me say at the outset that I'm pretty ambivalent about U2 myself. They've never been one of those bands that I've absolutely had to have the latest album from. In fact, Songs of Innocence is the only U2 record I have in my iTunes library.

But the inordinate amount of actual anger directed at Apple and U2 over this is so disproportional to the actual event, I've started to wonder about the mental state of some of those complaining. It's really been off the charts.

Con't...
http://www.imore.com/nsfw-apple-u2-and-looking-gift-horse-mouth
 

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One more thing. Don't be fooled by the word free. Free ain't free. Someone, somewhere, had to pay for it.

I heard that Apple paid $100m to U2 to put their music on the iPod. Now, how is Apple going to come up with all that $$$ ?

I think I know. Whoever bought an iPod, raise your hand. Whoever bought an iPod and did not want the U2 music, but are pissed because they felt they still ended up paying for it, raise your hand.
 

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As far as I know, Apple owns iTunes and I'm sure if you read the terms and conditions you'll see they're well within their legal right to include a dozen songs with the purchase of one of their products.

This sums it up nicely.
Oh. It's in the fine print. I guess that's all right then. It's not like anyone has ever tried to sneak something egregious into a TOS or other agreement, and it's not like we do not always read every word of these things carefully and in detail. Carry on then.
 

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Sharon Osborne be damned.

Rolling Stone seems to really like the new album:


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/u2-songs-of-innocence-20140911
I don't think Rolling Stone is considered to be the foremost authority on music any longer. The rag is all part of the corporate machine and, imho, a shadow of what it once was, even as short as ten years ago. Given that these things are subjective, I haven't truly appreciated an entire U2 album since Joshua Tree with War being their best work. They deserve credit for their longevity however perhaps Bono's time is better spent lobbying for funding to support his various hobby work.
 

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It was a bad business decision by Apple, and U2 hasn't made any good music since the early 90s, more than 20 years ago.
 

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So much anger... Anyway, I could care less as I don't play video games!
I don't play video games either, but I'm still displeased with the fact that a company that produces a product can change their licensing agreement months or years after you buy it and then, if you do not agree to the new terms, brick the product on ya. Just plain wrong. And yet, they don't think that doing so is a problem legally or ethically. And they get away with it because people are too thick to regard it as the egregious breech that it is. (some are so thick as to say that as long as it involves a product they personally do not consume, it simply doesn't matter!)

Oh, and I'd hardly call the EFF angry.
 
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