This article was in Saturday's paper.
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Sex slavery article in the weekend edition of the Globe and Mail
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That's horrible. You guys really should think twice about seeing the Eastern European SP's you're always raving about. Man, how horrible.
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Bush's address to the United Nations
In his address last Tuesday to the United Nations General Assembly, U.S. President George W. Bush outlines an issue in need of "urgent attention and moral clarity:"
There's another humanitarian crisis spreading, yet hidden from view. Each year, an estimated 800,000 to 900,000 human beings are bought, sold or forced across the world's borders. Among them are hundreds of thousands of teenage girls, and others as young as five, who fall victim to the sex trade. This commerce in human life generates billions of dollars each year --much of which is used to finance organized crime.
There's a special evil in the abuse and exploitation of the most innocent and vulnerable. The victims of sex trade see little of life before they see the very worst of life -- an underground of brutality and lonely fear. Those who create these victims and profit from their suffering must be severely punished. Those who patronize this industry debase themselves and deepen the misery of others. And governments that tolerate this trade are tolerating a form of slavery.
This problem has appeared in my own country, and we are working to stop it. The Protect Act, which I signed into law this year, makes it a crime for any person to enter the United States, or for any citizen to travel abroad, for the purpose of sex tourism involving children.
The Department of Justice is actively investigating sex tour operators and patrons, who can face up to 30 years in prison. Under the Trafficking Victims Protection Act, the United States is using sanctions against governments to discourage human trafficking.
The victims of this industry also need help from members of the United Nations. And this begins with clear standards and the certainty of punishment under laws of every country. Today, some nations make it a crime to sexually abuse children abroad. Such conduct should be a crime in all nations. Governments should inform travellers of the harm this industry does, and the severe punishments that will fall on its patrons.
The American government is committing $50-million to support the good work of organizations that are rescuing women and children from exploitation, and giving them shelter and medical treatment and the hope of a new life. I urge other governments to do their part.
We must show new energy in fighting back an old evil. Nearly two centuries after the abolition of the transatlantic slave trade, and more than a century after slavery was officially ended in its last strongholds, the trade in human beings for any purpose must not be allowed to thrive in our time.
In his address last Tuesday to the United Nations General Assembly, U.S. President George W. Bush outlines an issue in need of "urgent attention and moral clarity:"
There's another humanitarian crisis spreading, yet hidden from view. Each year, an estimated 800,000 to 900,000 human beings are bought, sold or forced across the world's borders. Among them are hundreds of thousands of teenage girls, and others as young as five, who fall victim to the sex trade. This commerce in human life generates billions of dollars each year --much of which is used to finance organized crime.
There's a special evil in the abuse and exploitation of the most innocent and vulnerable. The victims of sex trade see little of life before they see the very worst of life -- an underground of brutality and lonely fear. Those who create these victims and profit from their suffering must be severely punished. Those who patronize this industry debase themselves and deepen the misery of others. And governments that tolerate this trade are tolerating a form of slavery.
This problem has appeared in my own country, and we are working to stop it. The Protect Act, which I signed into law this year, makes it a crime for any person to enter the United States, or for any citizen to travel abroad, for the purpose of sex tourism involving children.
The Department of Justice is actively investigating sex tour operators and patrons, who can face up to 30 years in prison. Under the Trafficking Victims Protection Act, the United States is using sanctions against governments to discourage human trafficking.
The victims of this industry also need help from members of the United Nations. And this begins with clear standards and the certainty of punishment under laws of every country. Today, some nations make it a crime to sexually abuse children abroad. Such conduct should be a crime in all nations. Governments should inform travellers of the harm this industry does, and the severe punishments that will fall on its patrons.
The American government is committing $50-million to support the good work of organizations that are rescuing women and children from exploitation, and giving them shelter and medical treatment and the hope of a new life. I urge other governments to do their part.
We must show new energy in fighting back an old evil. Nearly two centuries after the abolition of the transatlantic slave trade, and more than a century after slavery was officially ended in its last strongholds, the trade in human beings for any purpose must not be allowed to thrive in our time.
What is your point, vin???vin_seek said:A politically correct piece.
George Bush is a crook.
This story is about those girls abducted, sold, and forced into prostitution. A very sad situation if you ask me!
Jean Chretien is not a crook? Tell me how many politicians there are who are not a crook.vin_seek said:George Bush is a crook.
At least GWB has the balls to stand up and speak out against what he thinks is evil. And he has taken actions!
Agree or disagree, like or dislike, America is the beacon of human hope and social conscience!
Live it or leave it!
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How is it that people manage to divert from the actual subject with anti US/ Bush or pro US/ Bush nonsense.
It only shows how your bias's cloud any of the actual issues.
Sometimes the motives are relatively inconsequential. It's the result that counts ...
PS I thought we are all classified as North Americans.
How is it that people manage to divert from the actual subject with anti US/ Bush or pro US/ Bush nonsense.
It only shows how your bias's cloud any of the actual issues.
Sometimes the motives are relatively inconsequential. It's the result that counts ...
PS I thought we are all classified as North Americans.
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What did you mean by nonsense? Whether GWB is a crook or not has nothing to do with the report from Globe and Mail to just begin with. And even the " crook " can challenge all " non-crook " politicians and governments to tackle the issue of sex slaves, which is very part of this article. Was I off the mark? No. Was my judgement blurred by any bias? I don't think so.pool said:How is it that people manage to divert from the actual subject with anti US/ Bush or pro US/ Bush nonsense.
It only shows how your bias's cloud any of the actual issues.
Sometimes the motives are inconsequential. It's the result that counts ...
PS I thought we are all classified as North Americans.
Clearly vin is an idiot. Ignore him and focus on the gravity of this situation.
Sex is powerful, and it can be all-consuming. The trick is to keep your sexuality compassionate and humane.
Sex is powerful, and it can be all-consuming. The trick is to keep your sexuality compassionate and humane.
vin_seek said:This thread is politically motivated.
I'm amazed that people question the motives for posting on this situation. Exactly what is my political motivation, vin seek? Perhaps I am just sickened that the situation flourishes in Toronto.
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Did I miss something here ? The article , while terrifying , did not mention this happening in Toronto .syn said:[BPerhaps I am just sickened that the situation flourishes in Toronto.
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Has anyone stumbled on an EE incall with underage girls in Toronto ? If so , rather than wringing our hands and saying how awful it is ( and forgetting about it next week ) they should be "outed" publically at the least and reported to the police .
To "boycott" EE ladies based on this story seems premature and discriminatory .
I think you missed my point which was that if people on this Board are aware of forced confinement and underage girls it is beneficial to us to be aware , to avoid and to report .bbking said:
One other thing to keep in mind, I am very sure that with all the articles about the EE sex trade to the west, and President Bush's speech, that local LE is most likely taking a very hard look at these EE agencies and I have to ask " How many Hobbiest out there would like to part of an LE investigation?"
I'm not much impressed by inuendo in the press and , without getting into a political debate , many of Bush's statements on perceived 'threats ' . The Globe didn't mention Toronto specifically perhaps because they had no indication of it here . I agree that it is likely to have happened here at some stage but I want to know more before painting every sp of EE descent with the same brush .
The fact that there is a large east european community in Toronto also supports a theory of there being enough demand for legitimate EE sp's to service that community .
These same stories surfaced in Vancouver concerning Asian girls ....very disturbing . In that case , however , there were actual arrests which served to validate the story . There seems more liklihood to there being an Asian situation than a EE one .
One common denominator is that these places were incall . So to avoid outcall europeans based on what I have heard so far seems premature .
Boycotting EE agencies is not the solution. All that will do is drive down price (won't choke supply).
The real solution is to get the sex trade industry legalized and SP's registered. That way the real problem (human trafficking and slavery) can be isolated and dealt with (by government agencies). Too bad politicians (and people in general) aren't brave enough to deal with the problems head on.
The real solution is to get the sex trade industry legalized and SP's registered. That way the real problem (human trafficking and slavery) can be isolated and dealt with (by government agencies). Too bad politicians (and people in general) aren't brave enough to deal with the problems head on.
Seven makes the best point so far. I would put it this way: Bring prostiution under the rule of law. The problem is it's illegal status, and thus, gives the criminals a profitable venture. Take it away from them.
There are millions of Eastern European women that want to be prostitutes; just because *some* are slaves doesn't mean *all* are slaves.
There are millions of Eastern European women that want to be prostitutes; just because *some* are slaves doesn't mean *all* are slaves.
I don't mean to pooh pooh the seriousness of what the article describes, but for goodness sake people, use your brains.
The article says the practice is widespread, that in one place there are hardly even any girls left between the ages of 15 and 25, that girls as young as 5 and 6 are being taken. Does the first statement add up, and does the second bear the slightest resemblence to the reality that exists here in Canada? If "hundreds of thousands of teenage girls" are being sold into sex slavery every year, and the U.S. and Canada are the kind of countries they're being sent to, then where are they? I'm not tying to be funny, but simple math would tell you that Toronto alone should have a couple hundred thousand by now.
If this many girls were being abducted, Toronto, which has one of the bigger MP scenes, would be absolutely flooded with such girls. Is that the case? Believe me, I think I can make a credible claim for knowing the EE gals available in our fair city, and if you think they fit the profile given in this story you are REALLY off base. In the MP scene alone I'd say the average age of the girls has to be well over 25, hell it's probably over 35.
As I said, I don't doubt the problems described exist to some degree, and I would fully support drastic action to combat it. But when was the last time a Torontian hobbiest was offered a 12 year old east european girl? When was the last time any of us got a "sense" that the ee MP or SP we saw was being coerced into making $1000.00 a week? C'mon.
Do any of you recall reading stories about the raids on SCs and MPs? How truthfully do those tally with our experience? The media always exaggerates stories about this topic and drug seizures.
Saying that you shouldn't see an EE provider here in Toronto because of this story is like saying you should not buy a Hyundai because of starvation in North Korea.
The article says the practice is widespread, that in one place there are hardly even any girls left between the ages of 15 and 25, that girls as young as 5 and 6 are being taken. Does the first statement add up, and does the second bear the slightest resemblence to the reality that exists here in Canada? If "hundreds of thousands of teenage girls" are being sold into sex slavery every year, and the U.S. and Canada are the kind of countries they're being sent to, then where are they? I'm not tying to be funny, but simple math would tell you that Toronto alone should have a couple hundred thousand by now.
If this many girls were being abducted, Toronto, which has one of the bigger MP scenes, would be absolutely flooded with such girls. Is that the case? Believe me, I think I can make a credible claim for knowing the EE gals available in our fair city, and if you think they fit the profile given in this story you are REALLY off base. In the MP scene alone I'd say the average age of the girls has to be well over 25, hell it's probably over 35.
As I said, I don't doubt the problems described exist to some degree, and I would fully support drastic action to combat it. But when was the last time a Torontian hobbiest was offered a 12 year old east european girl? When was the last time any of us got a "sense" that the ee MP or SP we saw was being coerced into making $1000.00 a week? C'mon.
Do any of you recall reading stories about the raids on SCs and MPs? How truthfully do those tally with our experience? The media always exaggerates stories about this topic and drug seizures.
Saying that you shouldn't see an EE provider here in Toronto because of this story is like saying you should not buy a Hyundai because of starvation in North Korea.
