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Severence terms included in letter of offer - contestable or not?

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How have I demonstrated I have none again?
The bit about agreeing to the terms and then fighting them.

But the company won't view it in moral terms either, just economics. So if you believe that a Friedman world is a better world then go for it.
 

nottyboi

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I was offered 70k ended up with 120k. Didn't sign got a lawyer.
How long did you work there,...did you have pre-agreed terms, what was your income. ... all those things are factors. I have lawyered up in the past.. mostly it resulted in more $$. But one needs to consider the time and upside. I don't think in this scenario considering the short time I worked their, there is significant upside. If I was there 10 years I would expect quite a bit more.
 

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The bit about agreeing to the terms and then fighting them.

But the company won't view it in moral terms either, just economics. So if you believe that a Friedman world is a better world then go for it.
What kind of chumps are you that you would not ask for more? Many things about the position were misrepresented going in. In this day and age after the massive financial frauds we have seen you still believe in honor? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHH
 

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What kind of chumps are you that you would not ask for more? Many things about the position were misrepresented going in. In this day and age after the massive financial frauds we have seen you still believe in honor? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHH
You're right nottyboi, it's a dog-eat-dog world, and that company would send you away with only a Tim Horton's gift card if they could.
 

nottyboi

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You're right nottyboi, it's a dog-eat-dog world, and that company would send you away with only a Tim Horton's gift card if they could.
I bet they would just disable my door pass if they thought it would have no consequences....like me physically attacking an executive in the parking lot for example..... .lol....no contract is written in stone.. which is why Corporate Lawyers make tons, and tons of money and are in high demand.
 

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I bet they would just disable my door pass if they thought it would have no consequences....like me physically attacking an executive in the parking lot for example..... .lol....no contract is written in stone.. which is why Corporate Lawyers make tons, and tons of money and are in high demand.
Some times if we could only deal with in the parking lot ... it would keep the executives more on the straight and narrow.

Heck lets can them and give them the lowball money offered to the real workers who sweat and toil at the true labor part of the jobs then split there pay with the real work force.
 

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How do you get severance anywhere near $21K, or even a difference of opinion that high, for what you call "short-term employment", and still have to come to TERB for legal advice?
For severance, 21K is HUGE.

Most professionals can expect about 1 week severance per year of service. I know plenty of folks who barely got 20-30K severance after 10 years employment (at a rate of about $100k/year).

But if you're getting paid $120/year, you can easily afford legal advice and don't need to come to TERB for "free" advice.
Their sense of fair play? When you have demonstrated that you have none? Wow.

Good luck.
How have I demonstrated I have none again?
Because you make WAY more money then this guy and that bothers him greatly so needs to insult you and make it look like to himself you lack some moral character as well. That way he has some false sense of being better then in other areas. If he can't do that, then he feels even more like a loser. It is a jealous thing. Usually done with comparing dick size in the bathroom, but this is TERB, so you get it post style.

No worries mate - he is just peeking at your junk and likes it. Take it as a compliment.
 

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If the severance is stipulated in the contract and the former employer has not broken any of the conditions of the rest of the contract, your former employer would be an idiot to give you anything more. If they are downsizing, why the heck would they give you more?

If they broke some conditions of the contract, then you may be entitled to something more. But it seems that is not the case here.
 

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When corporations are anticipating major changes such as downsizing, they often demand termination terms and agreement at the time of hiring so that when it comes to sale, merger, winding up, etc. they have an accurate estimate of what their costs will be.

The courts uniformly enforce those agreements unless something very unusual, unfair or unanticipated by either party occurs. Termination terms are simply part of the hiring contract, like any of the other terms.

Which means try to get the most you can and, if the employer offers what is due under the termination terms, take the money and run.

Perry
 

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If the severance is stipulated in the contract and the former employer has not broken any of the conditions of the rest of the contract, your former employer would be an idiot to give you anything more. If they are downsizing, why the heck would they give you more?

If they broke some conditions of the contract, then you may be entitled to something more. But it seems that is not the case here.
They will do it to avoid the cost of conflict and to close the books conclusively. I know for a fact people have had their offers enhanced. Why not ask.. the very worst you can do is what is on offer. There are some salient points I can make with them. It will either work...or not. I don't see any downside here.
 

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They will do it to avoid the cost of conflict and to close the books conclusively. I know for a fact people have had their offers enhanced. Why not ask.. the very worst you can do is what is on offer. There are some salient points I can make with them. It will either work...or not. I don't see any downside here.
Downside is the loss of a recommendation.

Downside is if there was potential work in the future, you would definitely not be considered.

Downside is if you waste good money paying a lawyer to get your hopes up.


You honestly know of cases where a previously signed severance agreement was enhanced by a company that is downsizing? If you do, then they must have done something negligent along the way (and you are not aware of this). No sane company that is downsizing and has a contract would do what you are suggesting since it could potentially open up other issues for them with other folks.
 

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Downside is the loss of a recommendation.

Downside is if there was potential work in the future, you would definitely not be considered.

Downside is if you waste good money paying a lawyer to get your hopes up.


You honestly know of cases where a previously signed severance agreement was enhanced by a company that is downsizing? If you do, then they must have done something negligent along the way (and you are not aware of this). No sane company that is downsizing and has a contract would do what you are suggesting since it could potentially open up other issues for them with other folks.
Yes, I do, it happens all the time. I think I was clear I would not use a lawyer in this case as the amounts involved do not really justify a big fight. Wow.. you really have no idea how things work. I already have references lined up when I need them. These agreements are all done in "confidence" Companies do not "recommend people" , people recommend people. I have sued companies before and never had a problem finding a job after.. seriously, don't be afraid to do it, you are really disadvantaging yourself when just take the first offer.
 

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Yes, I do, it happens all the time. I think I was clear I would not use a lawyer in this case as the amounts involved do not really justify a big fight. Wow.. you really have no idea how things work. I already have references lined up when I need them. These agreements are all done in "confidence" Companies do not "recommend people" , people recommend people. I have sued companies before and never had a problem finding a job after.. seriously, don't be afraid to do it, you are really disadvantaging yourself when just take the first offer.
WTH?

Why did you even start this thread if you know it all?
 

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Downside is the loss of a recommendation.

Downside is if there was potential work in the future, you would definitely not be considered.

Downside is if you waste good money paying a lawyer to get your hopes up.


You honestly know of cases where a previously signed severance agreement was enhanced by a company that is downsizing? If you do, then they must have done something negligent along the way (and you are not aware of this). No sane company that is downsizing and has a contract would do what you are suggesting since it could potentially open up other issues for them with other folks.

Is there a chance that the company 'sneaked' in the termination clause after the offer was verbally made, and if so, was negligent in not ensuring you sought legal advice before signing what became a new contract, but baffled you when they wanted your ink?
 

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They will do it to avoid the cost of conflict and to close the books conclusively. I know for a fact people have had their offers enhanced. Why not ask.. the very worst you can do is what is on offer. There are some salient points I can make with them. It will either work...or not. I don't see any downside here.
I think you're trying to talk yourself into doing something you know isn't the right choice.
 

Veronica27

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Is there a chance that the company 'sneaked' in the termination clause after the offer was verbally made, and if so, was negligent in not ensuring you sought legal advice before signing what became a new contract, but baffled you when they wanted your ink?
No company, no one, is ever NEGLIGENT if you do not seek legal advice before signing. It is your responsibility to read the fine print or get legal advice! The only person who is NEGLIGENT is the person who signs the contract without understanding or agreeing to it's contents. No where is a company required to ensure someone seeks legal advice before signing an employment contract. Of course the company could ask for or demand a notarized signature.
 
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