i agree with aardvark. why take any unnecessary risks with little or nothing to gain, regardless of your risk of being infected. its like vacationing in Toronto during SARS!! no one in their right mind would do that.
Serious question re flu outbreak
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Aardvark154 said:
Agreed.
Yes, it is simple logic - if Mexico has a health alert that could be very serious on a global level, (even if you might otherwise vacation there - which I wouldn't, but just saying since many Canadians like going there for some reason I can't fathom) and if warnings are out by legit sources to avoid it, it would make sense to not travel there and to, well, avoid it. It is not the peak winter travel season anyway. It is May this week - the weather here isn't bad and is improving. If you go to a health emergency zone against sound advice, and get infected and come back here and infect people here we all suffer.
enduser1 said:
Wrong.
In 1997 (latest year I have results for) in Mexico, 694 people had malaria (not died, but had malaria).
Let's assume for our purposes that all of those people died (not likely).
That would mean an average of about 13.35 people dead per week, significantly fewer than died from the swine (bullshit) flu in the past week.
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/m/malaria/stats-country.htm
)snowleopard said:
Not true, the people dying in mexico are seemingly healthy people 25-45,
which is eerily similar to the spanish flue 1917.
This swineflu seems so contagious that we will all get it eventually. So you need only
a very low death rate to give you large numbers, if 3,000,000,000 people gets it.
danmand said:
i agree. its a very virulent strain. this means more people will get sick.
the mortality rate for the flu is roughly the same. say for example its 1%. so many more will die during the current pandemic (1% of say a million) versus the usual outbreak or infection rate ( 1 % of much less than a million).
Swine Flu Questions?
I want to know:
1. How many of the infected people in the US and Canada who were experiencing "mild syptoms" were given Tamiflu or Relenza soon after testing positive?
2. Are these drugs available to poor people in Mexico?
3. If you received the swine flu vacine during the famous swine flu scare some years ago, does that give any immunity?
3. How likely is it that someone who travels to Mexico might be quarantened there or not let back into the US or Canada?
4. Is a flu virus less likely to thrive with warmer weather this late in the flu season?
5. Do these doctors and spokes people on television have a Tamiflu or Relenza script for themselves if they need it?
6. Does this mean that baby back ribs will be on sale?
I want to know:
1. How many of the infected people in the US and Canada who were experiencing "mild syptoms" were given Tamiflu or Relenza soon after testing positive?
2. Are these drugs available to poor people in Mexico?
3. If you received the swine flu vacine during the famous swine flu scare some years ago, does that give any immunity?
3. How likely is it that someone who travels to Mexico might be quarantened there or not let back into the US or Canada?
4. Is a flu virus less likely to thrive with warmer weather this late in the flu season?
5. Do these doctors and spokes people on television have a Tamiflu or Relenza script for themselves if they need it?
6. Does this mean that baby back ribs will be on sale?
Get a load of this, the soccer game between Chivas and PUMAS (Mexican league) was played in a completely empty stadium. Thats kinda like the Leafs playing an empty ACC. Usually for these games they get 50,000+ spectators
Pic of empty stadium
Pic of empty stadium
As pointed out before this is on two levels.ahahooper said:
The Influenza virus likes cooler weather (the major reason why flue season is in the winter) the very fact that it is spreading so rapidly at a sub-optimum time of year indicates that it is a very robust strain.
Secondly, as has already been stated it has already killed 149 people in Mexico this week many of them outside the typical death zone for influenza.
If we get spared the bullet this time we all get “a good laugh,” however, sooner or later there will be another pandemic the only question is whether it will “only” kill a million people or will it be far more than that.
pencilneckgeek2 said:
According to the WHO - in 2006 no one died from malaria in Mexico.
http://www.who.int/malaria/wmr2008/MAL2008-CountryProfiles/MAL2008-Mexico-EN.pdf
Actually, if you read my post accurately, I was referring to people who typically die from common flu viruses ... not this virus, which is atypical.danmand said:
My point was that the fear-mongering media tends to hype these stories and exploit the panic factor that comes into play when the previously immune affluent classes (i.e. people who buy their product) become at risk -- not that it shouldn't be taken seriously, or people shouldn't take precautions. The fact remains that, worldwide, untold people will die from far more common, preventable diseases every day, largely linked to malnutrition and poverty, which goes unreported by the media because poor people dying in third world countries doesn't sell. But when it's 'us,' well then it's time to spare no expense.
Welcome to the global village.
If you go to Mexico and drink the water or eat fresh veggies you will get the shits so bad you will think your ass is the nozzle of a firehose. With the cleanliness standards in that country its no wonder people are dying of one illness or another.
That being said, I will bet you can get some great vacation bargains down there right now.
That being said, I will bet you can get some great vacation bargains down there right now.
http://www.naturalnews.com/026150.html
WHO Revises Pandemic Alert Scale: Swine Flu Now Qualifies for Phase 5
and http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/610.html Resources to combat
swine flu hysteria
WHO Revises Pandemic Alert Scale: Swine Flu Now Qualifies for Phase 5
and http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/610.html Resources to combat
swine flu hysteria
While I don't wish illness and death upon people, I can't help but feel a bit of satisfaction that Mexico is in the throws of turmoil. Why?
I suppose it's karma. Given the way they've handled affairs with respect to recent murders and crime against Canadians , I hope their tourism trade will suffers because of this outbreak.
I know it's petty and one can't paint a whole nation because of the actions of a few. That said, it's not as if the Mexican government ever cared about the murdered people, but only the country's reputation.
I suppose it's karma. Given the way they've handled affairs with respect to recent murders and crime against Canadians , I hope their tourism trade will suffers because of this outbreak.
I know it's petty and one can't paint a whole nation because of the actions of a few. That said, it's not as if the Mexican government ever cared about the murdered people, but only the country's reputation.
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enduser1
Carrie Moon said:
Hi Carrie,
Thanks for the links. I followed them. I was glad to see that I am not the only one who is not impressed with alerts.
Why I am not worried right now:
The main reason I am not so worried right now is that the flu season is ending. That is important because in the 1918 scenario what happened was that the Germans were gearing up for the final offensive in the spring. They were going to try for Paris one last time.
Then the flu struck in April and May. Everyone got sick on the German side and the offensive was cancelled. Then the flu incubated in the trenches and through German prisoners infected the British side. It was a total disaster. In WW1 the British lost 2,500,000 to enemy action in combat and 2,500,000 to disease like the flu.
Then the war ended and everybody went home. The returning armies became carriers and incubators for the virus.
In this era air travel will spread the disease more quickly but I just don't see the "trench" like conditions of World War I.
In any event if this flu amounts to anything we shall have to wait for the fall of 2009. By then the flu vacsines will be ready and the flu will just go away.
EU
I wish they would get on the homeopathic bandwagon with regards to the flue over there anyway.. Mexico I was told had many homeopathic hospitals but I have no idea how old that information is or even if it was valid.
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