Scottish independence : Will it happen?
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Most economists say that it will cost Scotland dearly over the next decade, beyond that things become murkier, but they do not believe Scotland will be going like gangbusters. Likewise it will cost the rest of the U.K. a lot, but the economic forecast in the long term is rosy.
North Sea oil production is already dropping. Further about 20 percent of the North Sea Oil Field will be English.
Common sense has prevailed.
I would have hated to see the coolest flag in the world be retired to the dust bin of history.
But seriously, I'm glad that the UK is intact, however, the UK can not think it's business as usual. They (the UK) needs to live up to its promises and it needs to rethink its entire government model. They need to set up a system similar to Canada where the provinces can raise their own taxes and govern themselves accordingly within the confederation. (I have my doubts though that the UK will follow through on their promises.) Which will only mean another Scottish referendum in the next 10 to 20 years and this time, maybe the people of Scotland aren't so amenable to a deal.
I would have hated to see the coolest flag in the world be retired to the dust bin of history.
But seriously, I'm glad that the UK is intact, however, the UK can not think it's business as usual. They (the UK) needs to live up to its promises and it needs to rethink its entire government model. They need to set up a system similar to Canada where the provinces can raise their own taxes and govern themselves accordingly within the confederation. (I have my doubts though that the UK will follow through on their promises.) Which will only mean another Scottish referendum in the next 10 to 20 years and this time, maybe the people of Scotland aren't so amenable to a deal.
16 and 17 year old kids should not even be allowed to vote. They don't have the requisite developed brains nor the experience.
There will be increased devolution for Scotland and I strongly suspect Constitutional reform (in effect devolution for England) as well.
In that case, those over 60 shouldn't be allowed to vote because their future is more limited.
As we saw in Quebec, the 16 and 17 year old eventually become 30 year olds with a job, a spouse, kids and a mortgage who will most likely vote no.
The next referendum will likely be in Northern Ireland.
I find it difficult to think that either Northern Ireland or Wales would be much interested in independence. I mean, why?
You didn't hear of a generation difference when the USA fought for their independence.
EXACTLY.
When Marois was in Scotland, she thought that allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote in the referendum was a great idea (because kids are dumb and they want to part of something special)
No, only that huge sections of the population although not quite 2/3 were Neutrals (almost entirely religious pacifists), or Loyalists (think Canada post 1783).
This is probably just the beginning unless the UK is serious about devolution. Separatism does not just disappear after a lost referendum, you cannot ignore 45% the population. Once the door is open for devolution, it won't be just Scotland. If some here think Canada has been governed by Quebec, wait till we see how the UK will manage concessions to Scotland, Wales and N. IrelandVoters aged 16-17: YES: 71%; NO: 29%
Voters aged 65+: YES: 27%; NO: 73%
Wales and Northern Ireland are actually quite content with the present situation.This is probably just the beginning unless the UK is serious about devolution. Separatism does not just disappear after a lost referendum, you cannot ignore 45% the population. Once the door is open for devolution, it won't be just Scotland. If some here think Canada has been governed by Quebec, wait till we see how the UK will manage concessions to Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland
Scotland is to get greater even greater control, including over taxes,* they already exercise control over: Education, the National Health Service in Scotland, Justice and Policing, Rural affairs, Economic Development, and Transportation.
* Presumably this might lead to a court challenge if there are different tax rates in Scotland and the rest of the U.K.
