Same Sex Marriage

[Bud Plug]

Gays can, and do have children ... their own and adopted.

The fact that gays can have children and are permitted to adopt does not make it optimal and does not mean Canadian society should support this activity or give it preferential treatment. Laws which give preferential treatment to certain defined classes should do so on the basis that what they are contributing to Canadian society is "optimal" from the point of view the interests of Canadians in general.

The reason it is "very difficult to say that gay relationships serve the same purpose" is not because they can't actually server the same purpose, but because people like you just don't want to give them a legal right to serve the same purpose because of some kind of misfounded belief that you have a right to stick your nose in other peoples private business for no other reason than you find it against your own personal tastes.

See above. As to your "sticking your nose in other peoples business" comment, you simply aren't making any sense. It's everyone's business in a democracy whether certain relationships will be recognized by the state, particularly when legal rights (not to mention social consequences) will flow from that recognition. Your comment is patronizing (ie. "misfounded"), presumptuous (ie. "no other reason..."), illogical, and undemocratic (ie. "other people's private business").

This is a "chicken /egg" argument that doesn't stand up outside of it's own internal logic ... gays can't contribute to society because we make it illegal for them to do so, and we make it illegal so they can't contribute ... stop making it illegal and then your concern about them not contributing disappears.

It is obvious from my earlier comment that I do not think that it optimal for gay partners to raise children, most of whom will be straight and would benefit from the influence of both a man and women as parents. There are more than enough heterosexual couples having children for governments to worry about finding ways to encourage gay couples to contribute to society in this way.

All of these legal movements are about gays wanting to feel more comfortable about themselves. Nothing more nor less.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

If you don't agree with the Constitution, well... no one is making you commit to and/or attend a gay wedding, so keep your ignorance to yourself

I wasn't aware Canada had a constitution.

 

[WoodPeckr]

I don't believe same sex marriage or abortion are women's issues.

LOL.
Borat Sagdiyev, the sixth most famous reporter in Kazakhstan along with his sidekick Azamat, agree completely with you on this issue!.......

 

[dreamer]

Gay people simply want to feel "normal" in society. Presumably, many of them don't feel "normal" without having society confirm, in a variety of ways, that they are "the same" as straight people.

Actually society has confirmed many times that they are not the same. The issue is about being treated equally, not about feeling "normal"

Obviously, it's become important to straight people, for reasons I can't comprehend, to want to tell gay people that they are the same as straight people.

Thanks for the "laugh of the day". You have a great sense of humour

I have this feeling that it is you who desperately wants to feel "normal" in society by defining what is "normal".

 

[Dev0]

I really hate this Government and especially Harper, everything he believes in is contary to what I believe is integral to the Canadian identity. I think Harper is sexist, homophobic, racist and classist, it's absolutely incredible such a liberated country like ours, allowed for such a prick to be in charge. Can we send him to America??? We'll trade Harper for gay couples LOL

I believe a majority of intelligent reasonable Canadians think Gay people should have the same rights as anyone else. If you don't agree with the Constitution, well... no one is making you commit to and/or attend a gay wedding, so keep your ignorance to yourself To quote Margaret Cho "any country who doesn't allow a gay man the right to bridal registry is just wrong" lol

BBK, Harper is already going that way... as a mixed minority single female he sends shivers down my spine.

Actually the majority of intelligent reasonable Canadians think gay marriage is an unnatural union. Most people keep quiet out of fear that they will be immediately labeled as homophobic. Canada is not as liberated as you think.

 

[papasmerf]

LOL.
Borat Sagdiyev, the sixth most famous reporter in Kazakhstan along with his sidekick Azamat, agree completely with you on this issue!.......

Ah there is woody, speaking on issues close to his heart.




Kepp this in mind it takes a man to father a child. That makes it his child too. Since he will be supporting the child he has a right to speak.

 

[danmand]

Actually the majority of intelligent reasonable Canadians think gay marriage is an unnatural union. Most people keep quiet out of fear that they will be immediately labeled as homophobic. Canada is not as liberated as you think.

Did God tell you that last night when you were sleeping?

 

[Fritz96]

"Overwhelming majority". LOL It was a typical post convention bounce that put the Liberals close to a majority. Good news for the Liberals but any poll taken right after a party's convention is skewed.

It would appear that you are not alone - today's EKOS poll shows that if the election was held today, the Liberals would win an overwhelming majority. While it appears the progressive vote will go in mass to the Liberals - out of fear I guess at what Harper might do but what was very interesting in this poll was that the Liberals lead all income classes. Both those facts indicate that Canadians are tired already of the Harper gang and this bounce is much more than a post convention bounce. Now if we can only convince the Bloc or the NDP to push a non-confidence motion on the environment.


bbk

 

[pepsiman]

We have ""PROGRAMS "' for people that are pedifiles and we have one for people that have animal fetishes and I believe these animals are very well protected as should be law . But we have a male that wants to marry another male and it certainly is not normal in humans anymore than in animals and we are suppose to accept this as normal :???
Where is the PROGRAM to help these people .
It is human nature to breed and populate . animal species would be exstint if this pratice was used in nature so why do PEOPLE believe it is NORMAL .
On the medical side of this :: I believe males haveing sex anally is not meant by nature and the tissues inside are not meant for this use and when they are using a shit bag they can at least say "" BUT I LOVED HIM "" . But that does not change the fact that the act is not normal or moral or safe >>

 

[Dev0]

Did God tell you that last night when you were sleeping?

When I was sleeping last night God told me to quit wasting my time debating uneducated people, that cannot provide facts to back up their position on an issue.

 

[papasmerf]

When I was sleeping last night God told me to quit wasting my time debating uneducated people, that cannot provide facts to back up their position on an issue.

carefull he might hit you with his purse

 

[danmand]

Actually the majority of intelligent reasonable Canadians think gay marriage is an unnatural union. Most people keep quiet out of fear that they will be immediately labeled as homophobic. Canada is not as liberated as you think.

Did God tell you that last night when you were sleeping?

When I was sleeping last night God told me to quit wasting my time debating uneducated people, that cannot provide facts to back up their position on an issue.

God willing, why don't You provide some facts?

 

[papasmerf]

Reports coming from Italy indicate they're about
to legalize same sex marriage. The Pope will
probably go ballistics on this issue. And the
Italians will say he's a resident of the Vatican
and not Italy.

And they would be right

 

[danmand]

Reports coming from Italy indicate they're about
to legalize same sex marriage. The Pope will
probably go ballistics on this issue. And the
Italians will say he's a resident of the Vatican
and not Italy.

He can be ballistic without fear. He is infallable.

 

[Dev0]

Why don't You provide some facts if it is God's will to do so?

You challenged my post, so I will let you go first with your facts.

 

[danmand]

You challenged my post, so I will let you go first with your facts.

That is not the way it works, kid. You substantuate your claim.

 

[Dev0]

That is not the way it works, kid. You substantuate your claim.

My Dad can beat up your Dad.

 

[Bud Plug]

Actually society has confirmed many times that they are not the same. The issue is about being treated equally, not about feeling "normal"

Err, that's because they are different - thus the terms homosexual and heterosexual. If "equal rights" means the "same rights" I guess I should be able to use women's washrooms whenever I feel like it! Obviously, giving groups "the same rights" is only appropriate if they are exactly comparable.

Thanks for the "laugh of the day". You have a great sense of humour

I have this feeling that it is you who desperately wants to feel "normal" in society by defining what is "normal".

I wish I had your ability to laugh off whatever I don't understand or agree with. They do say that ignorance is bliss.

However, if you have a counterargument, or a different perspective, you should really make a point, rather than just guess (wildly, stupidly, and incorrectly) at the motives of other people who hold a different point of view than you.

 

[woolf]

I wasn't aware Canada had a constitution.

Then go get an education or lear to use google, 'cause Canada in deed does have a constitution.

 

[Dev0]

lear to use google,

And you need to learn how to spell.