Saddam Execution Video
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Saddam is now a martyr after his sham trial. The americans couldn't let him be tried for killing the kurds while alive because they were complicit in that act and he would be shouting that out. He had to die before the trial on his most monstrous alleged crime to keep american (and British) hands clean.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Terrorism/Politicization_Terror.html
http://www.awitness.org/journal/saddam_rumsfeld.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Terrorism/Politicization_Terror.html
http://www.awitness.org/journal/saddam_rumsfeld.html
Conspiravy theories
" . . . maybe it was all a fake, that's why theres no picture of him falling , then they layed him down, took the quick picture of his face, then one of a wooden casket and now he's living with Osama !!!!!"
I wouldn't be surprised if it was Ken Lay operating the cell phone. It was either that or hunting trip with Dick Cheney in Wyoming.
As an aside, the Iranians bring in a forty ton Grove mobile crane, extend the boom 100' and take the condemned for a vertical ride in order to wave to the paying spectators.
" . . . maybe it was all a fake, that's why theres no picture of him falling , then they layed him down, took the quick picture of his face, then one of a wooden casket and now he's living with Osama !!!!!"
I wouldn't be surprised if it was Ken Lay operating the cell phone. It was either that or hunting trip with Dick Cheney in Wyoming.
As an aside, the Iranians bring in a forty ton Grove mobile crane, extend the boom 100' and take the condemned for a vertical ride in order to wave to the paying spectators.
danmand said:
Gotta agree with you on that one. Nelson, the Iron Duke, we do love a good 'ave a go.
Fritz96 said:
Different here. We got Hitler fair and square, cornered him and killed him (some accounts say he committed suicide) in a declared war, therefore he was killed, in war, for genocide. In Saddam's case, Bush Jr. wanted to go through the "puppet democracy" route on paper. And in the end, the Bush Jr. way, on paper, (Bush Jr.) failed to link genocide.
Gyaos.
Gyaos said:
Lot of factual errors in this.
1. Virtually every historical account says the same thing - Hitler committed suicide.
2. This was also a "declared" war.
3. It was an Iraqi court ( not Bush ) that found him guilty albeit a court appointed by a majority Shia Muslim Government ( Saddam was sunni muslim and had killed tens of thousands of Shiites over the years) so , yes there was only going to be one outcome to this trial.
If the US was guilty of anything it was in not protecting him from a biased court, but hell the guy was a mass murderer so I ( along with millions of Shiites and Kurds) am not going to lose any sleep over it.
This war was/is a mess but this is one of the few good things to come out of it.
train said:
My advice to what you wrote above is watch C-Span and maybe you'll just get it. First, what factual error is there when I say "some" and you say "virtually all"? Both do not claim an exact-tact all, so blah. Hitler was wasted during a declared war by America and we got him.
Iraq is NOT a "declared" war. The US Congress did not declare war, an article of declaration on a country. They were given bogus information and hense proceeded to give Bush Jr. a check to fight a "war on terrorism", an ideology, with use of military force and peace-keeping. Bush Jr. also did not have a Chapter 7 article in the current UN (his father did in 1991), a resolution he tried to get and failed which prompted his pussy statement "we will then go alone", killing 3002 American troops and 20,000 plus injured and for what? A walk down the isle with Ford's widow? So there was no declaration of war, none of those specific words against Iraq.
Lastly "an Iraqi Court". Inside the US Green Zone. Therefore, I claim if it is then a genuine Iraqi Court, under the jurisdiction of an Iraqi Federation, then it is an Iraqi issue so all US Troops leave. It is not an American issue.
In reality, the terrorist Saddam was killed by the terrorist Al-Malaqi who signed for his execution as fast as possible without the chance for additional appeals and without the case for the Kurds to be heard. Al-Maliqi is an equal terrorist, just voted in under a Bush Jr. democracy, which when you look at Iraq now, a Bush Jr. democracy is by far the worst in the universe.
Gyaos Baltar.
For whatever reason I am not sold on this video. It looks doctored to me, I mean his face seems way brighter than anything else on the screen then you get those flickering images of his face afterwards after the hanging.
Gyaos said:
Sorry , I was trying to be polite. Actually everyone says he committed suicide. And unless you are Russian you can't claim "we got him" anyway as they were first to that area of Berlin.
You may be right from an article standpoint but it wasn't as if it wasn't publically declared well in advance. There was a vote , they did invade based on that vote so.....Doesn't really matter in the issue of the execution anyway.
Not sure this makes any sense. I guess you are implying that as long as there are US troops there can't be any Iraqi administered courts. I'm not sure I follow the logic there.
I honestly think that if there was some way for them to leave without having it deteriorate into all out civil war the Americans would. The mistake was invading in the first place. The situation is a complete and utter failure for the Americans , they are just not ready to admit it yet.
I agree that the court was biased in favour of a Shiite Muslim agenda/revenge.
I take it you are a Sunni ? Is there a logical geographical way to split the country ( a la Serbia) or are the factions too intermingled.
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train said:
That's hearsay. No one SAW it. Therefore you have no argument and are wasting bandwidth here with this issue. It was determined that Hitler killed himself, however he was boxed in by the coalition.
train said:
So long as there is no declaration, it is not declared. Therefore you have no argument again. The US Congress allowed funding on an ideology. Congress didn't invade, the US President did. It's his war, his mess. He goes before Congress for more cash, yearly. Now Congress can de-fund the war as you will see next week when Bush Jr. asks for a "surge" in troops and Congress will refuse, including 12 Republican Senators (according to Robert Novak).
train said:
You're mistaken. It is an all out civil war. A three way civil war. The Kurds will succeed from Iraq when the terrorist Shiite's Government, illegally elected, refuse the Kurds' oil contracts (small or big) due to the bogus Bush Jr. Iraqi Federation bullshit which won't exist.
train said:
It will split up. What is required is for the Kurds and the Turks to make full peace, including any peace with Sunni Arab's who went into Kurdistan due to Saddam's cleansing for the oil, first discovered in 1927. After that, the Sunnis and Shiites can kill each other for all I care. Fuck them and their voodoo bullshit.
Thank you for reading!
Gyaos.
the execution
1. Done in the pre-dawn darkness, in secrecy.
2. Done in a dingy dungeon; not in a correctional facility.
3. Unprofessional in the delivery of the execution.
4. Filmed by cell phone camera.
5. The execution date was rushed and secretive.
If there was a more stupid way to carry out this execution, I can't think of how (except by making the rope too long).
The subtext to all this is that it wasn't a matter of appropriate justice - it was a matter of Shiite revenge.
The subtext, is, of course, right. And that's a pity - because there were many more just avenues open that would have ended with a hanging.
Trial should have been in The Hague.
The genocide trial should have been allowed to finish.
1. Done in the pre-dawn darkness, in secrecy.
2. Done in a dingy dungeon; not in a correctional facility.
3. Unprofessional in the delivery of the execution.
4. Filmed by cell phone camera.
5. The execution date was rushed and secretive.
If there was a more stupid way to carry out this execution, I can't think of how (except by making the rope too long).
The subtext to all this is that it wasn't a matter of appropriate justice - it was a matter of Shiite revenge.
The subtext, is, of course, right. And that's a pity - because there were many more just avenues open that would have ended with a hanging.
Trial should have been in The Hague.
The genocide trial should have been allowed to finish.
Yes.
It would have been in the U.S.'s interest to have the trial in the Hague.
There isn't anything to talk about that isn't already known. (yes - we all know the U.S. sided with Iraq against Iran way back when. And some of us remember why.)
Further, the U.S. should not be wanting the violence that this shoddy execution will cause.
Lastly, the U.S. should want to show that Iraq can carry out something properly -that these years of building and training haven't been entirely wasted.
It would have been in the U.S.'s interest to have the trial in the Hague.
There isn't anything to talk about that isn't already known. (yes - we all know the U.S. sided with Iraq against Iran way back when. And some of us remember why.)
Further, the U.S. should not be wanting the violence that this shoddy execution will cause.
Lastly, the U.S. should want to show that Iraq can carry out something properly -that these years of building and training haven't been entirely wasted.
TQM said:
Methink that if the US would have wanted it differently, they would have had it differently. Saddam Hussein was in US custody at least until 1 second before the execution, which took place in a US compound.
But maybe you think that Iraq is a sovereign country?
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