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Anbarandy

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He deserves it eg living like a king. He’s been a Russian president for 20 years. And as for Navalny I can’t even imagine him handling nato situation. And will never understand which forces got him to come back to Russia from Germany
Navalny wouldn't have had a "NATO situation".

Putin didn't have a "NATO situation" until he invaded Ukraine.

I can't even imagine Putin handling the 'NATO situation" he created now.

And we will never understand which paranoid schizophrenic voices in his diseased brain got him and by extension, the famously dimwitted, brainwashed Russian people into this "NATO situation."
 
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He deserves it eg living like a king. He’s been a Russian president for 20 years. And as for Navalny I can’t even imagine him handling nato situation. And will never understand which forces got him to come back to Russia from Germany
“He’s been a Russian president for 20 years”
Think about that for a second. Why is that? Why has there not been any credible opposition? You talk about Navalny. You do know about Navaly right? How he nearly died after FSB poisoned him? He could have remained out of Russia, but he returns only to get arrested for “violating conditions of his parole”. He failed to meet with parole officers, WHILE HE WAS FIGHTING FOR HIS LIFE IN GERMANY AFTER BEING POISONED WITH NOVICHOK. He’s now been sentenced to prison. For that, his “parole violation”. Do you think that is acceptable? Jailing opposition? Convicting them of trumped up charges in a kangaroo court?

That is why Putin has been in power for 20 years. He doesn’t “deserve to live like a king” for that. He shouldn’t be rewarded for staying in power by murdering / jailing any credible opponent. The Russian people should have the ability to choose their leader. They do not. How can they, when any potential alternative is tossed out a window, poisoned or thrown in jail.

Putin is no hero. He’s a strongman and a thug, who has enriched himself, and his friends at the expense of his country. The way he stays in power is through intimidation, lies and control. No dissent is allowed. He doesn’t give a shit about average Russians, and the current war is a glaring example. He knew that economic sanctions would be applied, that would hit average Russians hard. He knew that the Russian teenagers conscripted into the army would be killed by the thousands. For what? How does invading Ukraine help the average Russian? What’s on it for them? Russia is now isolated from most of the world, the gains in their quality of life since the fall of the iron curtain are disappearing. Putin is not a leader who acts in service of his people, he uses them for his own benefit, and does not give a shit, he knows he’s completely unaccountable, he has made opposition a potential death sentence. Putin stays in power out of fear, propaganda and brainwashing.
 

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“He’s been a Russian president for 20 years”
Think about that for a second. Why is that? Why has there not been any credible opposition? You talk about Navalny. You do know about Navaly right? How he nearly died after FSB poisoned him? He could have remained out of Russia, but he returns only to get arrested for “violating conditions of his parole”. He failed to meet with parole officers, WHILE HE WAS FIGHTING FOR HIS LIFE IN GERMANY AFTER BEING POISONED WITH NOVICHOK. He’s now been sentenced to prison. For that, his “parole violation”. Do you think that is acceptable? Jailing opposition? Convicting them of trumped up charges in a kangaroo court?

That is why Putin has been in power for 20 years. He doesn’t “deserve to live like a king” for that. He shouldn’t be rewarded for staying in power by murdering / jailing any credible opponent. The Russian people should have the ability to choose their leader. They do not. How can they, when any potential alternative is tossed out a window, poisoned or thrown in jail.

Putin is no hero. He’s a strongman and a thug, who has enriched himself, and his friends at the expense of his country. The way he stays in power is through intimidation, lies and control. No dissent is allowed. He doesn’t give a shit about average Russians, and the current war is a glaring example. He knew that economic sanctions would be applied, that would hit average Russians hard. He knew that the Russian teenagers conscripted into the army would be killed by the thousands. For what? How does invading Ukraine help the average Russian? What’s on it for them? Russia is now isolated from most of the world, the gains in their quality of life since the fall of the iron curtain are disappearing. Putin is not a leader who acts in service of his people, he uses them for his own benefit, and does not give a shit, he knows he’s completely unaccountable, he has made opposition a potential death sentence. Putin stays in power out of fear, propaganda and brainwashing.
I understand you find that surprising but Putin has had lots of support in Russia and most Russians do feel the benefits of his leadership
.As for Navalny he is sentenced on a fraud charge and believe it or not Russia that I remember I wish most of them were sentenced like that back in the 90s. They were robbing the country blind.I am severely jaded, with any economists in Russian government.I am pretty sure you don’t even know anything about him and only sympathize because he is an”opposition leader” and Kremlin Critic who wants to become a president.! eg think Andrea Howarth but making a bit more sense.. nobody can truly beat Andrea in the opposition department. By now everyone turns the tv off.
I don’t like the drama queens like Zelensky/Navalny. They are not healthy for society. Navalny left Russia to escape prosecution. And if I was him I’d stay away from Russia until it’s the right time to get back to politics.. e.g elections.
 

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“He’s been a Russian president for 20 years”
Think about that for a second. Why is that? Why has there not been any credible opposition? You talk about Navalny. You do know about Navaly right? How he nearly died after FSB poisoned him? He could have remained out of Russia, but he returns only to get arrested for “violating conditions of his parole”. He failed to meet with parole officers, WHILE HE WAS FIGHTING FOR HIS LIFE IN GERMANY AFTER BEING POISONED WITH NOVICHOK. He’s now been sentenced to prison. For that, his “parole violation”. Do you think that is acceptable? Jailing opposition? Convicting them of trumped up charges in a kangaroo court?

That is why Putin has been in power for 20 years. He doesn’t “deserve to live like a king” for that. He shouldn’t be rewarded for staying in power by murdering / jailing any credible opponent. The Russian people should have the ability to choose their leader. They do not. How can they, when any potential alternative is tossed out a window, poisoned or thrown in jail.

Putin is no hero. He’s a strongman and a thug, who has enriched himself, and his friends at the expense of his country. The way he stays in power is through intimidation, lies and control. No dissent is allowed. He doesn’t give a shit about average Russians, and the current war is a glaring example. He knew that economic sanctions would be applied, that would hit average Russians hard. He knew that the Russian teenagers conscripted into the army would be killed by the thousands. For what? How does invading Ukraine help the average Russian? What’s on it for them? Russia is now isolated from most of the world, the gains in their quality of life since the fall of the iron curtain are disappearing. Putin is not a leader who acts in service of his people, he uses them for his own benefit, and does not give a shit, he knows he’s completely unaccountable, he has made opposition a potential death sentence. Putin stays in power out of fear, propaganda and brainwashing.
I understand you find that surprising but Putin has had lots of support in Russia and most Russians do feel the benefits of his leadership
.As for Navalny he is sentenced on a fraud charge and believe it or not Russia that I remember I wish most of them were sentenced like that back in the 90s. They were robbing the country blind.I am severely jaded, with any economists in Russian government.I am pretty sure you don’t even know anything about him and only sympathize because he is an”opposition leader” and Kremlin Critic who wants to become a president.! eg think Andrea Howarth but making a bit more sense.. nobody can truly beat Andrea in the opposition department. By now everyone turns the tv off.
I don’t like the drama queens like Zelensky/Navalny. They are not healthy for society. Navalny left Russia to escape prosecution. And if I was him I’d stay away from Russia until it’s the right time to get back to politics.. e.g elections.
I admire your stamina, endurance, attention to evidence, fact and reality there 'massman', but:

I hope you are able to realize that you are attempting to breach an impregnable 20+ year fortress of propaganda, disinformation, lies, repression and brain rewiring that have become the DNA of 70% of the the Russian people as evidenced by the above quoted reply to your post and a multitude of similar posts.
 

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I understand you find that surprising but Putin has had lots of support in Russia and most Russians do feel the benefits of his leadership
.As for Navalny he is sentenced on a fraud charge and believe it or not Russia that I remember I wish most of them were sentenced like that back in the 90s. They were robbing the country blind.I am severely jaded, with any economists in Russian government.I am pretty sure you don’t even know anything about him and only sympathize because he is an”opposition leader” and Kremlin Critic who wants to become a president.! eg think Andrea Howarth but making a bit more sense.. nobody can truly beat Andrea in the opposition department. By now everyone turns the tv off.
I don’t like the drama queens like Zelensky/Navalny. They are not healthy for society. Navalny left Russia to escape prosecution. And if I was him I’d stay away from Russia until it’s the right time to get back to politics.. e.g elections.
Navalny was poisoned, no? Or is that fake news?

Who is the opposition in Russia? Do they have any chance of forming government? Is it possible for Putin to be voted out? Is that an actual possibility? Russian government won’t let its own citizens even know what is going on in Ukraine. How is Putin held accountable? How in a “democratic” nation is it that dozens of unelected billionaires have the ear of the kremlin, and are intimately involved in the government? (And I’ll fully acknowledge that western governments aren’t at all free of the interests of the rich). Putin may have got rid of “corruption” making sure the only corruption was his own. And since he’s the boss, that’s not really corruption, is it?

There are many examples of dictators who enjoyed huge support from their country. They do this by crushing or criminalizing any opposition, labelling them as “traitors” or “enemies of the state”. They incite fear in the population, and they manufacture “threats”
that only they can protect the great nation from. They convince people that their very existence as a people is a threat. That their nation is “great” and special, and to preserve that, they need to “defend” that against threats to their way of life, against the scum / lowlifes of the world. How did hitler rise to power? Mussolini? Hitler started with the propaganda that the Jews were conspiring against the nation, that they would wage war. He created an idea of a “national community” that was under threat. That in fact it was them being taken advantage of, persecuted by the enemy, and they had to unite and act to stop that for their survival. That the enemy was seeking to destroy the German race (kinda like Putin’s assertion that the West wants to “cancel” Russia, even examples of Russian culture (Eg Tchaikovsky)
It’s about manufacturing fear and paranoia, then showing the people you have the “strength” to protect them. It’s in the standard dictator playbook. Sound at all familiar?

What happens to Russians that protest the war today? Who are the opposition politicians who have other views on the war?
 
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I understand you find that surprising but Putin has had lots of support in Russia and most Russians do feel the benefits of his leadership
.As for Navalny he is sentenced on a fraud charge and believe it or not Russia that I remember I wish most of them were sentenced like that back in the 90s. They were robbing the country blind.I am severely jaded, with any economists in Russian government.I am pretty sure you don’t even know anything about him and only sympathize because he is an”opposition leader” and Kremlin Critic who wants to become a president.! eg think Andrea Howarth but making a bit more sense.. nobody can truly beat Andrea in the opposition department. By now everyone turns the tv off.
I don’t like the drama queens like Zelensky/Navalny. They are not healthy for society. Navalny left Russia to escape prosecution. And if I was him I’d stay away from Russia until it’s the right time to get back to politics.. e.g elections.
Strange that Putin would be popular, you'd almost think that there wasn't a free and open media there that allowed dissent, like anti war views.
 
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Navalny was poisoned, no? Or is that fake news?

Who is the opposition in Russia? Do they have any chance of forming government? Is it possible for Putin to be voted out? Is that an actual possibility? Russian government won’t let its own citizens even know what is going on in Ukraine. How is Putin held accountable? How in a “democratic” nation is it that dozens of unelected billionaires have the ear of the kremlin, and are intimately involved in the government? (And I’ll fully acknowledge that western governments aren’t at all free of the interests of the rich). Putin may have got rid of “corruption” making sure the only corruption was his own. And since he’s the boss, that’s not really corruption, is it?

There are many examples of dictators who enjoyed huge support from their country. They do this by crushing or criminalizing any opposition, labelling them as “traitors” or “enemies of the state”. They incite fear in the population, and they manufacture “threats”
that only they can protect the great nation from. They convince people that their very existence as a people is a threat. That their nation is “great” and special, and to preserve that, they need to “defend” that against threats to their way of life, against the scum / lowlifes of the world. How did hitler rise to power? Mussolini? Hitler started with the propaganda that the Jews were conspiring against the nation, that they would wage war. He created an idea of a “national community” that was under threat. That in fact it was them being taken advantage of, persecuted by the enemy, and they had to unite and act to stop that for their survival. That the enemy was seeking to destroy the German race (kinda like Putin’s assertion that the West wants to “cancel” Russia, even examples of Russian culture (Eg Tchaikovsky)
It’s about manufacturing fear and paranoia, then showing the people you have the “strength” to protect them. It’s in the standard dictator playbook. Sound at all familiar?

What happens to Russians that protest the war today? Who are the opposition politicians who have other views on the war?
That’s why he partially picked right now for attack. Navalny outta the picture. There is none to disturb the crowds. Sorry but Joe Biden coming to Russia and urging Russians to fight for their democracy is not gona work, like it worked in Maidan.. Ukraine can enjoy their “democratic explosions “ together with Biden themselves. Russia will pass and stick to drama free order.
Also the major difference between the west(e.g the states Canada and Western Europe. You have something that most of the former ussr including Russia don’t have. You have stability and the future here is pretty much set regardless who is in power it’s hard to majorly wreck it regardless of who is in power and if somewhere something that’s working and not broken no need to change it to accommodate other countries. The truth is I am scared of what’s gona happen to Russia after he is gone. There hasn’t been any good leaders Other than him
 
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That’s why he partially picked right now for attack. Navalny outta the picture. There is none to disturb the crowds. Sorry hit Joe Biden coming to Russia and urging Russians to fight for their democracy is not gona work, like it worked in Maidan.. Ukraine can enjoy their “democratic explosions “ together with Biden themselves. Russia will pass and stick to drama free order.
Yup, perfect time to plan a losing war.
 
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Let's not forget, Putin is also the world's greatest businessman having amassed a fortune of over 200 BILLION DOLLARS. What exactly is his business(cough*defrauding the Russian people*cough) I do not know... which makes it all that more special of an accomplishment!
 

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The truth is I am scared of what’s gona happen to Russia after he is gone. There hasn’t been any good leaders Other than him
kudos to propaganda that keeps millions of people scared to lose a murderous dictator
 

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He’s doing such a good job that EVERYONE is 100% in agreement. Including all media.
The analogy, "You can try, and, and try, to shoo away flies from bullshit, but they always come back to it because it is in their DNA" is apt.
 

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That’s why he partially picked right now for attack. Navalny outta the picture. There is none to disturb the crowds. Sorry but Joe Biden coming to Russia and urging Russians to fight for their democracy is not gona work, like it worked in Maidan.. Ukraine can enjoy their “democratic explosions “ together with Biden themselves. Russia will pass and stick to drama free order.
Also the major difference between the west(e.g the states Canada and Western Europe. You have something that most of the former ussr including Russia don’t have. You have stability and the future here is pretty much set regardless who is in power it’s hard to majorly wreck it regardless of who is in power and if somewhere something that’s working and not broken no need to change it to accommodate other countries. The truth is I am scared of what’s gona happen to Russia after he is gone. There hasn’t been any good leaders Other than him
Ok. I think there is some very important things that neither I or others have considered enough. Despite vocal people in politics or on the political fringes, most us us have pretty good faith in most western countries that no matter who is in power, things will be stable. And that is right. To be honest, if you looked at budgets and spending, laws passed etc and you didn’t know which party was in power when it happens, you’d often struggle to identify them, except for more social oriented policy. With very few exceptions, in the west, nobody fears that their society will collapse if one person gets voted out. In fact periodic change is expected, and in the US, required by law, with term limits.
So i definitely agree with you that our opinions on Putin, or many other dictators, come from a place of that privilege. It could easily be argued that Iraq was way better off to the average Iraqi (as long as you weren’t Kurdish and being gassed) with Saddam. He was a bloodthirsty dictator, but that was “stable”.

But the problem with this is that stability comes at the cost of killing off (figurativelyand often literally) any development of a credible opposition. The government is never forced to evolve. So you have a situation where any opponents are seen as a radical, inexperienced and with little capability to assume an orderly transition of power. They are all “Horvaths” as you suggested earlier. The only thing they can do is “oppose”, they don’t have to plan for what they would do if in power, because that is not allowed to happen. So yes there is stability, at a cost. The cost is, not being able to call the leader to account when they do something wrong. Not having access to information to make your own informed decisions. And the cost, if you dissent, of being labeled a traitor, or being arrested, or worse in some cases. We joke about Russians poisoning opponents or “defenestration “ but there is a reason for that, it’s because it has happened. Numerous times. Dictators know that, they convince the population that nobody can take over, whereas we know here in 🇨🇦/ 🇺🇸 that whoever takes over, not a lot will change for most of us, and that changes in approach to government from time to time, drive society forward. Leaders know that they are in power only till the next election, and then it’s up in the air. They have to change and move forward or they get voted out. Dictators depend on maintaining status quo.
 
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I understand you find that surprising but Putin has had lots of support in Russia and most Russians do feel the benefits of his leadership
.As for Navalny he is sentenced on a fraud charge and believe it or not Russia that I remember I wish most of them were sentenced like that back in the 90s. They were robbing the country blind.I am severely jaded, with any economists in Russian government.I am pretty sure you don’t even know anything about him and only sympathize because he is an”opposition leader” and Kremlin Critic who wants to become a president.! eg think Andrea Howarth but making a bit more sense.. nobody can truly beat Andrea in the opposition department. By now everyone turns the tv off.
I don’t like the drama queens like Zelensky/Navalny. They are not healthy for society. Navalny left Russia to escape prosecution. And if I was him I’d stay away from Russia until it’s the right time to get back to politics.. e.g elections.
The saddest, most fucked up "fraud" trial ever held. I even started a thread about how ludicrous and perverse it was.

And he's a 'drama queen"?.... Ok, so he gets to be poisoned by Putin?

There are never going to free elections under Putin. That's why he has never lost an election in 20 years. Ask yourself: How does someone not lose an election in 20 years?..... Answer: Because all the elections are rigged. The candidates are pre selected for all parties. Uncooperative candidates are jailed or killed. And each election, the results are worked out in advance and declared after election day. And Putin always wins.

And of course Putin has a lot of support in Russia. The entire media and political system has been set up to make him look good and everyone else to look stupid and corrupt. Stalin was extremely popular too.
 

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Stalin was extremely popular too.
Wiki: In the public's efforts to pay their respects to Stalin, a number of people were crushed and trampled to death.[17] Khrushchev later provided an estimate that 109 people died in the crowd, although the real number of deaths may have been in the thousands.[18][19]

I wonder: when trump is going to kick the bucket will there be a stampede? his supporters seem to be about as dumb as russians
 
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