Russiagate Turns On Its Originators

[toguy5252]

Actually the GOP didn't directly pay for it. A website has claimed that. And was out before Steele was brought in.

Basically Fusion played for both teams and shopped what they had to the Dems. And probably offered more. And plausible deniability for this.

Only now it's unravelling.

What exactly is unraveling?

 

[toguy5252]

They have supposedly cooberated some. Like things about that so and so was in a city at a certain time. That type of thing.

But if they have cooberated a single piece of evidence that is unlawful and Trump can be charged with then where is the impeachment? The charges.

You are mistaking the language of "high confidence" as fact. It's speculation still.

Until charges are laid, and they haven't even charged Donny or Jarrod yet, id say things aren't as cut and dried as many claim.

They were not offering any opinion about legality or illegality. They were collecting information. It is up to Mueller to decide if all of the facts and evidence he collects lead to any particular conclusion.

 

[toguy5252]

Debunked? It's a matter of public record now. Every word of it. Supeona proved who paid Fusion. Braisille publically stated Clinton had control of the DNC before the primaries. Fusion hired Steele. Specifically due to his Russian sources. And paid for it all.

Thats from the MSM and court documents released.

The inquiry is important in the same way Don Jr's meeting is. Using Russian FSB based information to influence the election.

They both tried to do it. Charge one. Charge the other.

Using illegal means to collect information is wrong. Ask any member of law enforcement. And also ask them how well its viewed by judges.

Whats the difference who paid for iot. The facts are true or not and most have been corroborated. Whether the DNC or GOP paid for the report does not affect the truth or untruth of the contents. The attempts by Gowdy and Jim Jordan etc to distract of the facts is laughable and really quite pathetic. Use your head man. Every now and then you say something which makes me think you may have one.

 

[toguy5252]

Hold on to yer hat, there's a lot of goodies to come to light in a near future re. Fusion GPS. They tried like hell to keep their dealings secret. The courts disagreed. Got to remember to pickup some popcorn for this. It's going to be better than All the President's Men.

Does any of what you said have anything at all to do with whether the contents are true or not. That was a rhetorical question because of course it does not.

 

[Butler1000]

Whats the difference who paid for iot. The facts are true or not and most have been corroborated. Whether the DNC or GOP paid for the report does not affect the truth or untruth of the contents. The attempts by Gowdy and Jim Jordan etc to distract of the facts is laughable and really quite pathetic. Use your head man. Every now and then you say something which makes me think you may have one.

It's important because of the source. It's the FSB. The Russians.

Now why are they suddenly and only credible when it comes to this information but in all other things are fake news masters and election manipulators.

It also sets the precident that campaigns can contact foreign entities for information, including spy agencies, and it's fine. You open the door to full on foreign govt interference then.

Thats why.

 

[toguy5252]

It's important because of the source. It's the FSB. The Russians.

Now why are they suddenly and only credible when it comes to this information but in all other things are fake news masters and election manipulators.

It also sets the precident that campaigns can contact foreign entities for information, including spy agencies, and it's fine. You open the door to full on foreign govt interference then.

Thats why.

No one. Not even Gowdy or Jordan has suggested that the Dems contacted the FSB. that is just pure wishful thinking on their part. But again lets say they did. Does that change the FACT that US intelligence has confirmed independently Russian interference and that Jr. has corroborated a number of elements of the dossier.

This may be difficult for you but try dealing with FACTS. Not the ways in which you might hope to discredit the FACTS.

 

[Anbarandy]

Because it was found out that Clinton, via both her campaign and the DNC which she secretly took over ahead of the primaries paid via proxy for an ex foreign spy to contact the Russian FSB for dirt on her political rival?

The information contained in the dossier is not only credible but also so concerning that is was passed on and acted upon by the FBI.

The information in the dossier documents a compromised and possibly blackmailed by the Russians Trump

The information in the dossier documents a litany of financial arrangements with dubious Russian financiers.

The testimony of Glen Simpson has until Feinstein's release, been squashed by Republicans out of the fear of the damage it would do them and Trump.

The information in the dossier disclosed of a Trump campaign insider who also tipped off the FBI to a blackmailed Trump.

Which doesn't address a single thing I said.

Ever hear of a process crime? If what Don Jr. Did was wrong then this is over the top.

Point out a single thing I said was false.

And then tell me how you can prove the dossier is all true when Mueller hasnt even verified it.

Feel free to say Donny did wrong. But then so did Clinton and her cronies.

Fusion is now claiming it was all Steelers idea to go to the FBI. Does that mean the DEMS and GPS Were Not going TO?

Think about that.......

There isn't anything to address in your post that I replied to, but hypothesis and conjecture. So what is actually there to reply to?

And your 2nd post just displays another one of your desperate 'look over there, not here" failing attempts to shift culpability.

Facts matter.

 

[Butler1000]

No one. Not even Gowdy or Jordan has suggested that the Dems contacted the FSB. that is just pure wishful thinking on their part. But again lets say they did. Does that change the FACT that US intelligence has confirmed independently Russian interference and that Jr. has corroborated a number of elements of the dossier.

This may be difficult for you but try dealing with FACTS. Not the ways in which you might hope to discredit the FACTS.

If Fusion did via Steele and they paid for it then they would know the pedigree. The Dems know everything.

The specifically paid for it. That is a fact.

And now we learned that it wasn't even their idea to report it to the FBI.

 

[Butler1000]

There isn't anything to address in your post that I replied to, that isn't anything but hypothetical and conjecture. So what is actually there to reply to?

And your 2nd post just displays another one of your desperate 'look over there, not here" failing attempts to shift culpability.

Facts matter.

Everything there has been reported on, testified on and supported by evidence. Everything.

Who's s deflecting now.

Feel free to charge Donny and crew. And then go after Fusion and they paymasters for the EXACT same thing.

 

[toguy5252]

If Fusion did via Steele and they paid for it then they would know the pedigree. The Dems know everything.

The specifically paid for it. That is a fact.

And now we learned that it wasn't even their idea to report it to the FBI.

I dio not agree but in any event that affects the veracity of the contents how?

 

[Butler1000]

I dio not agree but in any event that affects the veracity of the contents how?

Who paid for it is separate from the source.

And according to the authors it's the FSB. They are even claiming FSB operatives have been killed over it.

So again I ask Why, if Russia is the disseminater of fake information, we should believe a case officer in the FSB didn't take advantage of Steele to disseminate false information with a few truthful parts to lend it an air of credibility.

It's essentially what they do right?

How is this one time they are telling the truth?

And Fusion is a mercenary group. They will work for anyone for whatever purpose. Not exactly a credible source at this point with the numerous obstructions and taking of the Fifth they engaged in.

Face it. Even the press won't, despite its leak, report on dossier specifics because they can't verify any if it.

And don't think that every damn news organisation as well as independent journalist with an interest didn't try.

For over a year now.

So yes I will question it's veracity.

 

[Frankfooter]

And Fusion is a mercenary group. They will work for anyone for whatever purpose. Not exactly a credible source at this point with the numerous obstructions and taking of the Fifth they engaged in.
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Thanks for confirming they aren't partisan.

 

[Butler1000]

Thanks for confirming they aren't partisan.

Nope they arent partisan. But they are paid by them. And worked for them. And followed their directives. And tried to cover for them. And lied for them.

 

[Frankfooter]

Nope they arent partisan. But they are paid by them. And worked for them. And followed their directives. And tried to cover for them. And lied for them.

They were also paid by a Republican first.
They also tried to avoid naming both their republican and democrat funders.
They also followed the directives of both republicans and democrats on the dossier research.

The problem here isn't who funded or how the research was run, the problem was that it found so much dirt on Trump.
If Trump was clean there wouldn't be an FBI investigation going on.

Blame Trump, not Fusion or Steele.

 

[toguy5252]

Who paid for it is separate from the source.

And according to the authors it's the FSB. They are even claiming FSB operatives have been killed over it.

So again I ask Why, if Russia is the disseminater of fake information, we should believe a case officer in the FSB didn't take advantage of Steele to disseminate false information with a few truthful parts to lend it an air of credibility.

It's essentially what they do right?

How is this one time they are telling the truth?

And Fusion is a mercenary group. They will work for anyone for whatever purpose. Not exactly a credible source at this point with the numerous obstructions and taking of the Fifth they engaged in.

Face it. Even the press won't, despite its leak, report on dossier specifics because they can't verify any if it.

And don't think that every damn news organisation as well as independent journalist with an interest didn't try.

For over a year now.

So yes I will question it's veracity.

More absurdity. I have asked you elsewhere but yoyu are making it increasingly obvious that facts do not matter to you. Simply continue spouting sill theories to justify derailing or discrediting Mueller. Keep up the good work. Sad.