"Royal" Canadian Forces

LancsLad

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Your dad was a prime example for the argument behind unification to an integrated armed fighting force. A financially limited country supporting three independent forces with their own appropriations and naturally fostering a service independence that reflected their command structure. I favour the Department of US Navy model which integrates marines, navy and aircraft into an integrated command structure that can support operations anywhere.

However it is the Royal designation that I am arguing is a nostalgic waste of resources that detracts from Canada's independence as a country. For those that have no concept of the term Royal - it signifies that soon our Navy will be in service to King Prince Charles.

You vote lieberal don't you.

Sad really.

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blackrock13

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while I agree with the change- this comment is completely wrong.
Considering the cost of a referendum in Canada is about 1.5 million dollars and most people can't balance their cheque books, what makes you think they would understand the cost/benefits of something like this. Do we call one for the decision to change the the front cover of out passports?
 

blackrock13

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Your dad was a prime example for the argument behind unification to an integrated armed fighting force. A financially limited country supporting three independent forces with their own appropriations and naturally fostering a service independence that reflected their command structure. I favour the Department of US Navy model which integrates marines, navy and aircraft into an integrated command structure that can support operations anywhere.

However it is the Royal designation that I am arguing is a nostalgic waste of resources that detracts from Canada's independence as a country. For those that have no concept of the term Royal - it signifies that soon our Navy will be in service to King Prince Charles.
Have you been reading DM's pamphlets again?
 

red

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Considering the cost of a referendum in Canada is about 1.5 million dollars and most people can't balance their cheque books, what makes you think they would understand the cost/benefits of something like this. Do we call one for the decision to change the the front cover of out passports?

i didn't call for a referendum, but I was commenting on the idea that civilians (by the way- politicians are civilians too) should have no say with respect to the military. That is dangerous ground to tread and is anti-democratic. based on your comments above we shouldn't let most people vote in elections either.
 

blackrock13

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i didn't call for a referendum, but I was commenting on the idea that civilians (by the way- politicians are civilians too) should have no say with respect to the military. That is dangerous ground to tread and is anti-democratic. based on your comments above we shouldn't let most people vote in elections either.
Apparently the civilians had their say when they voted for a Conservative majority and now muost wear that embarrassment for the next 4 years.
 

Aardvark154

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Apparently the civilians had their say when they voted for a Conservative majority and now muost wear that embarrassment for the next 4 years.
Which I suppose is why the P.M. is now ranked second of best Prime Ministers of the past 50 years.
 

blackrock13

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Your dad was a prime example for the argument behind unification to an integrated armed fighting force. A financially limited country supporting three independent forces with their own appropriations and naturally fostering a service independence that reflected their command structure. I favour the Department of US Navy model which integrates marines, navy and aircraft into an integrated command structure that can support operations anywhere.

However it is the Royal designation that I am arguing is a nostalgic waste of resources that detracts from Canada's independence as a country. For those that have no concept of the term Royal - it signifies that soon our Navy will be in service to King Prince Charles.
Oh the shear horror of it all - Not
I see you were kind enough to correct his error in the quote.
 

NoFatties

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You vote lieberal don't you.

Sad really.

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Yes very sad. You have to be a WASP to support Conservatives ? You march like a brain dead zombie to the current piper of the conservative party.

I voted conservative but only because he was the least distasteful of the lot. I'm one of the unparty faithful that vote according to the issues. I have admitted that my vote (e.g. Harris & 407 sale) has come back to bite me in the ass many times. I'm proud of my independence as I'm one of the few voters that actually decide who wins. I keep the country walking a steady path between the dried up farts that stymie progress and the free spending virtue anarchists on the left. You see, they are more concerned at getting my vote then yours because brain dead party member votes are a given. I believe that brings them closer to centre.

So please don't group me into either brain dead party group.
 

red

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Apparently the civilians had their say when they voted for a Conservative majority and now muost wear that embarrassment for the next 4 years.
Yes that right. and the government, which is civilian, controls the military and can decide to call the military anything they like. The military's job is to say yes sir and carry out the their orders.
 

blackrock13

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I don't think he caught it but you did. Kind of hard to be King and a prince at the same time. It would appear that that is only the minor error in my thinking. ;)

I'm guessing you have skipped a number of the posts in this thread or realize the name change would not change the chain of command.
 

NoFatties

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I'm guessing you have skipped a number of the posts in this thread or realize the name change would not change the chain of command.
Actually no. I still think 'Royal' is a waste of resources and based on nostalgic memories instead progressing the natural evolution of Canada as an independent mature nation.

I do realize that I am alone in this veiwpoint.
 

rld

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Your dad was a prime example for the argument behind unification to an integrated armed fighting force. A financially limited country supporting three independent forces with their own appropriations and naturally fostering a service independence that reflected their command structure. I favour the Department of US Navy model which integrates marines, navy and aircraft into an integrated command structure that can support operations anywhere.

However it is the Royal designation that I am arguing is a nostalgic waste of resources that detracts from Canada's independence as a country. For those that have no concept of the term Royal - it signifies that soon our Navy will be in service to King Prince Charles.
What the bolded portion signifies is that you really don't know the first thing about our military. It already is in such service, name change or not.

All members of the CF swear the following oath:

“ I, [name], do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors. So help me God.[3]

(modification to take out "God" is permitted, but not the Queen)

Thus all of our military men are already committed to serving the crown.

I swore that oath when I joined almost 30 years ago now, and it is part of the bond that those of us who have served share with those of us who will serve.
 

blackrock13

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Actually no. I still think 'Royal' is a waste of resources and based on nostalgic memories instead progressing the natural evolution of Canada as an independent mature nation.

I do realize that I am alone in this veiwpoint.
No one is actually totally alone. Not even FUJI I'm sure DM's with you on this in spirit. As for the cost the amount should quite low, but no one knows.

I'm not sure it's necessary, but in the bigger scheme of things, no big deal, yet there are far more pressing things to do right now.
 

rld

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Yes that right. and the government, which is civilian, controls the military and can decide to call the military anything they like. The military's job is to say yes sir and carry out the their orders.
Yes, and it is the perogative of the civilian government to consult with those who served and those who have served and take their opinion into account on these issues.

Unless you think ignoring and snubbing vets and serving members is a wise political move...
 

seth gecko

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But will this move help me get chicks, and discounts at Swiss Chalet?
That my friend is up to you, but I think by combining your two objectives, you can achieve both. Here's how:
Go to your local Swiss Chalet around dinnertime, when it's busiest. Pretend you're studying the menu, but what you're actully doing is waiting for an eligible babe to come by. Keep an eye out for women ordering the dinner-for-one combos. As she's placing her order, you politely introduce yourself, and point out that the dinner-for-two combo works out to be less expensive, and offer to go halfsies with her......in no time at all, you'll go from eating out together to "eating out" together!
Give that a try & report back letting us now how things went. Good luck to you!!
 

danmand

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That my friend is up to you, but I think by combining your two objectives, you can achieve both. Here's how:
Go to your local Swiss Chalet around dinnertime, when it's busiest. Pretend you're studying the menu, but what you're actully doing is waiting for an eligible babe to come by. Keep an eye out for women ordering the dinner-for-one combos. As she's placing her order, you politely introduce yourself, and point out that the dinner-for-two combo works out to be less expensive, and offer to go halfsies with her......in no time at all, you'll go from eating out together to "eating out" together!
Give that a try & report back letting us now how things went. Good luck to you!!
Even better, right now Swiss Chalet gives you an extra quarter chicken, when you order ribs. More than enough to share for two.
 

red

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Yes, and it is the perogative of the civilian government to consult with those who served and those who have served and take their opinion into account on these issues.

Unless you think ignoring and snubbing vets and serving members is a wise political move...
jesus christ. I am talking about rockslinger's comment that civilians should have no say:

We civilians shouldn't even have a vote in the matter..

while I agree with the change- this comment is completely wrong.
 
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