ROOFING Question

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PurpleMonkey

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Hi everyone, does anyone have any experience, work at or know of a good roofing company that offers great quality at an affordable price in the GTA (west end preferred)? I know it's hard to balance quality with $$$ but it's kinda recession time here.

I had a friend who lost a contact number or else I would ask him, he has a 3000 sq ft house and he paid about $3500 (insured company). I asked one 'joe blow' to estimate my place (approx. 2000sq ft, non-steep roof) and he said $4000....is that crazy? I am thinking if my friend did the roof for $3500 I could probably get away with $2500-$3000.

My friend (whom I seldom talk to) also mentioned becareful when they come to replace it because you're suppose to remove and replace something under the shingles as well??? And some of these contractors don't do that and just remove the old shingles and put on the new one, that's it. I am unsure of how the roofing process works. I might be wrong and what he meant was maybe just the shingles, I am not sure, next time I should pay more attention to what he says.

I have a few areas that look like the shingles are "bending off" so I figured it's time since the house is over 25 yrs. Maybe I just need a repair? But I'm guessing replacing would be better right? Since it's cold out there, is it a good idea to change the roof now because the glue (sealant) might not stick?

ANY INFO GUYS? THANKS.
 
The price of shingles went up quite a bit over the summer due to higher petroleum prices I do know that. So if your buddy got his roof done some time ago or even 6 months ago that could account for some price difference.

and if you are gonna spend the money, use ice sheild instead of that tar paper crap ;)
 
1. You absolutely need to strip all the old roofing shingles.

2. You need to replace all rotted boards - no questions. Get a quote per square foot to remove and replace rotted out roofing boards with new 5/8 in plywood.

3. Always install a drip cap at the edges

4. Always use ice and water shield at the perimeter, not tar paper

5. Always install ice and water shield along side any valley flashing

6. Price to include all new vents

7. Price to include disposing the old shingles at properly licensed facility - transfer station, not some back alley.

8. 25 year shingles will probably last 20 years.

9. Price to include all new flashing around chimney, vents, etc.

10. Ask for references, call them, check out the workmanship.

Don't expect it to be cheap.

Anyone who tells you you don't have to do the above is lying to you.
 
PurpleMonkey said:
Hi everyone, does anyone have any experience, work at or know of a good roofing company that offers great quality at an affordable price in the GTA (west end preferred)? I know it's hard to balance quality with $$$ but it's kinda recession time here.

I had a friend who lost a contact number or else I would ask him, he has a 3000 sq ft house and he paid about $3500 (insured company). I asked one 'joe blow' to estimate my place (approx. 2000sq ft, non-steep roof) and he said $4000....is that crazy? I am thinking if my friend did the roof for $3500 I could probably get away with $2500-$3000.

My friend (whom I seldom talk to) also mentioned becareful when they come to replace it because you're suppose to remove and replace something under the shingles as well??? And some of these contractors don't do that and just remove the old shingles and put on the new one, that's it. I am unsure of how the roofing process works. I might be wrong and what he meant was maybe just the shingles, I am not sure, next time I should pay more attention to what he says.

I have a few areas that look like the shingles are "bending off" so I figured it's time since the house is over 25 yrs. Maybe I just need a repair? But I'm guessing replacing would be better right? Since it's cold out there, is it a good idea to change the roof now because the glue (sealant) might not stick?

ANY INFO GUYS? THANKS.
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These guys do a lot of business in the west end.

http://www.walkercontracting.ca/

In addition to the other advice in this thread, they'll also likely recommend that if you're going to do any chimney tuck pointing, get it done before they do their work.

My perception is they provide good quality work, but not sure how cost competitive they are. Get a quote.
 
Purple: It isn't just the size of the roof that determines cost. It also is dependant on location (is it difficult to get to the roof?), how complicated the roof is (is one a flat roof and one has many dormers, peaks, valleys etc), and the actual physical location of the house.

As mentioned, with the increase in fuel costs many contractors, such as myself, have to increase our prices to offset the cost of getting the tools and equipment etc to the jobsite. In addition, the actual delivery of the materials to site costs more. I know one company in particular added a fuel surcharge to a previously quoted delivery charge after fuel went through the roof (pun intended lol).

Oh yeah, just one more word of advice: it is silly to pay too much, but it is idiotic to pay too little.....
 
PurpleMonkey said:
Hi everyone, does anyone have any experience, work at or know of a good roofing company that offers great quality at an affordable price in the GTA (west end preferred)? I know it's hard to balance quality with $$$ but it's kinda recession time here.

I had a friend who lost a contact number or else I would ask him, he has a 3000 sq ft house and he paid about $3500 (insured company). I asked one 'joe blow' to estimate my place (approx. 2000sq ft, non-steep roof) and he said $4000....is that crazy? I am thinking if my friend did the roof for $3500 I could probably get away with $2500-$3000.

My friend (whom I seldom talk to) also mentioned becareful when they come to replace it because you're suppose to remove and replace something under the shingles as well??? And some of these contractors don't do that and just remove the old shingles and put on the new one, that's it. I am unsure of how the roofing process works. I might be wrong and what he meant was maybe just the shingles, I am not sure, next time I should pay more attention to what he says.

I have a few areas that look like the shingles are "bending off" so I figured it's time since the house is over 25 yrs. Maybe I just need a repair? But I'm guessing replacing would be better right? Since it's cold out there, is it a good idea to change the roof now because the glue (sealant) might not stick?

ANY INFO GUYS? THANKS.
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$3500 sounds way too low for a correct job of a 3000 sq ft house. I did my roof at the end of last year. My roof is 30 squares. (1 square is 100 sq ft) I got quotes between $8000 and $12000. I had a complete tear off (remove all old shingles and underlayment), replace rotted boards, included 30 year shingles, ice / water shield, haul away and permits.

Do not go for lowest bidder. Get a reputable roofer. Remember, everything you own is under your roof...
 
3 quotes on my guelph st. house in georgetown:

1. $5300 35-yr warrantee 3 tab asphalt
2. $5900 35-yr warrantee 3 tab asphalt
3. $6100 50-yr warrantee 'architectural' type aluminum coated synthetic.

do you need a building permit for replacing shingles? I never new that...
 
Walker contracting does good work, if you want to pay twice the going rate. Ice and water shield and drip edge is not required by the Ontario Building code but is a good idea if your roof is 6/12 pitch and under. Anything over 8/12 does not requite this protection unless there is a history of ice damming. Wood replacement is usually 3/8 inch plywood or 3/4 inch spruce planks (what is called a board roof in the trade). Ventilation must be brought to current code and includes the soffit vents being open and not covered with insulation. Many houses have the soffit vents covered with blown in insulation which was done in the 1980s with the former government CHIP programme. I am in the business.
 
james t kirk said:
1. You absolutely need to strip all the old roofing shingles.

2. You need to replace all rotted boards - no questions. Get a quote per square foot to remove and replace rotted out roofing boards with new 5/8 in plywood.

3. Always install a drip cap at the edges

4. Always use ice and water shield at the perimeter, not tar paper

5. Always install ice and water shield along side any valley flashing

6. Price to include all new vents

7. Price to include disposing the old shingles at properly licensed facility - transfer station, not some back alley.

8. 25 year shingles will probably last 20 years.

9. Price to include all new flashing around chimney, vents, etc.

10. Ask for references, call them, check out the workmanship.

Don't expect it to be cheap.

Anyone who tells you you don't have to do the above is lying to you.
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Okay after calling and getting estimates from about 10 companies I found one that did all 10 steps as stated above.

Estimates originally ranged from $3500 to $4300, then today one came by and we made a deal from inside my house as we sat, talked, had a beer and watched a few porno (check out my ad in the buy/sell section, cheap plug :D ) then agreed to a little over $3000 which is the cheapest I got. He said if I was to do it last year he could've done it for around $2500.

I gave him one of Aurora Snow's best and away he went, promising to come back this week (pending rain but light snow is okay). I guess a little snow (1-2 cm) is okay when they do the roofing?

Thank you everyone for your input!

If you need a roofer, PM me they have two locations in Mississauga and Toronto.
 
Try Chouinard Brothers - a friend just had his roof done by them - he said they were excellent - very thorough quote, excellent customer service and the job was done exactly when they said they'd do it at exactly the quote cost. They weren't the cheapest quote, but he said they were the most professional.

Timbit
 
the ten steps kirk recomended are correct, stripping existing shingles should be required but they can go over a coat if they are not curling, if required pay extra to strip. ice guard is a good idea regardless of roof pitch, ice damning is a result of insulation and ventilation problems not roof pitch. Get a contract that includes the warranty info in writting.
 
well I did my roof and I used 40 year shingles about $3.50 more per bundle but a much better shingle. NOW for square footage of the house it means nothing, you could have a 3000 sq ft bunglow it would cost way more then a 3000 ft 2 story house. Cost all depends on roof size. If possible don't put shingles on now they will not seal wait until April/May.
 
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