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Robert Pickton case
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Cute In A Kilt said:The only REAL evidence that he killed anyone is his admission and of course the DNA. My concern is since "Piggy's Palace" was so well known and so many parties happened there, his lawyer COULD argue that although the women may have been killed there and Willie MAY have disposed the bodies .... it still does not link him to the actual killings (ie if there was a witness).... I worry that this will create a "reasonable doubt", it leaves it open to Willie saying something like "we had a party and then I found bodies".
I still think there should be an inquest into how the police f***ed this case up royally!
Cute..what you are quoting at this point is media speculation. The crown has not yet fully presented their case so we really do not know if they screwed up. They have spent many years and several millions of dollars making sure they had all the evidence they could find and then test.
It's a bit early to make any assumptions.
I believe there is also a reason why they are only charging him with 6 murders in the first trial. Those would appear to be the slam dunk cases, the others might be more open to questioning. Once he's convicted on the first 6 he'll never get out of prison. The rest is just icing on the cake so to speak.
Cute In A Kilt said:The only REAL evidence that he killed anyone is his admission and of course the DNA. My concern is since "Piggy's Palace" was so well known and so many parties happened there, his lawyer COULD argue that although the women may have been killed there and Willie MAY have disposed the bodies .... it still does not link him to the actual killings (ie if there was a witness).... I worry that this will create a "reasonable doubt", it leaves it open to Willie saying something like "we had a party and then I found bodies".
I still think there should be an inquest into how the police f***ed this case up royally!
With Robert and his brother prior convictions, bodies found all over his property, human meat made by his own machinery to feed the party goers and made into pig feed, is not enough to convict him....I dont know....
I agree about the inquest. They make it seem as if they were doing all they could to find the killer and suggest instead what made their investigation hard was the fact that no one was reporting these women missing soon enough. They went though a list of other possible suspects yet did not think of "the pictons" even after being charge with attempted murder of a woman at his farm years before among other crimes. The authories say they went to the farm 3 times found nothing and left.
Susan
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Cute In A Kilt
MarkII said:It's a bit early to make any assumptions.
I believe there is also a reason why they are only charging him with 6 murders in the first trial. Those would appear to be the slam dunk cases, the others might be more open to questioning. Once he's convicted on the first 6 he'll never get out of prison. The rest is just icing on the cake so to speak.
NOT making assumptions but still can see it being argued, I mean someone at the party could have killed em, maybe even his brother. For murder all you need is "reasonable doubt" for the fucker to go free. Yes I know a lot of evidence so far points to the women being murdered and disposed of on the property but STILL no ACTUAL link to PROVE Willie was the one to do the deed.... I've watched enuf law and order to be concerned. A friend of mine told me the intial 6 women were identified through fingertips left in the motorhome, she knew one of the main investigators in Vancouver. *shudder*
I have no issues with the prosecution and how they are dealing with the case, my issue is that the VPD bungled this case over and over BECAUSE they obviously discriminated against sex trade workers..... where's their accountability? The were consistently told about a serial killer on the loose since the early 90's and yet made no move to find this guy. Furthermore there have been reports made by OTHER sex workers that Willie was physically abusive, one lady ran from his property when he brandished a knife and was assaulted and yet the police did next to nothing. If the police took the situation seriously (bet you a bunch of middle class white girls getting murdered would have lit a fire under their ass) would have prevented at least a dozen or so disappearences. And there is probably a BUNCH of DNA lost forever and those families will never have closure!?!?!
And even if Pickton goes to jail for a bunch of years, this is still not going to make up for all the pain and suffering he's caused..... seems oddly unsatisfying no matter the outcome. I mean it's alleged that he not only killed the ladies, he skinned them, fed them through a wood chipper AND then fed them to pigs..... this is one instance I believe in capital punishment a la Hannibal Lector.
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Cute In A Kilt
THAT's BS. If you look at the history of the case.... one of the cops in VPD (Kim Rossmo) had been saying since at least 1990's that there was a serial killer. No one listened to this cop, when the lady who was assaulted on the farm came forward, once again this cop felt Willie fit the profile and was ignored again. He finally gave up telling VPD, got fired and developed "geographic profilling" and got a cushy gig with the FBI. He is now in court filing a wrongful dismissal case against VPD. He has also been a loud advocate on behalf of the missing women.Susan said:I agree about the inquest. They make it seem as if they were doing all they could to find the killer and suggest instead what made their investigation hard was the fact that no one was reporting these women missing soon enough. They went though a list of other possible suspects yet did not think of "the pictons" even after being charge with attempted murder of a woman at his farm years before among other crimes. The authories say they went to the farm 3 times found nothing and left.
Susan
http://www.missingpeople.net/former_vpd_officer_is_sta-oct_23,_2002.htm
http://www.missingpeople.net/geographic_profiler_warned_of_serial_killer_mar_18,_2002.htm
http://www.missingpeople.net/bc_police_were_told_years_ago_feb_28,_2002.htm
Quote from last article:
Friends and relatives of the missing women say they became aware of Robert Pickton after his name surfaced in 1997, when a prostitute and drug addict accused him of trying to stab her to death during an encounter at the farm in 1997. Pickton was charged with attempted murder, aggravated assault and unlawful confinement, but charges were later dropped. The woman, who had run screaming from the farm in handcuffs, reportedly refused to testify. Her whereabouts is unknown.
That is the only argument defence counsel have, there is no doubt they will use that. The lawyers for the defence are somewhat of a "dream team", they wouldn't take the case if they didn't feel there is a good chance of success.Cute In A Kilt said:The only REAL evidence that he killed anyone is his admission and of course the DNA. My concern is since "Piggy's Palace" was so well known and so many parties happened there, his lawyer COULD argue that although the women may have been killed there and Willie MAY have disposed the bodies .... it still does not link him to the actual killings (ie if there was a witness).... I worry that this will create a "reasonable doubt", it leaves it open to Willie saying something like "we had a party and then I found bodies".
Pickton could not have committed all those crimes without help.
His comments during the 11 hour long Feb '02 interrogation that he's "the fall guy", and never actually admitting personally killing anyone are perfect to support their case.
Don't get me wrong, I feel he is 100% guilty, but then I feel the same way about O.J.
xarir said:Perhaps not. If you look at his (mercifully short) history of posting, he's a genuine asshole.
Don't know what you are talking about.
I have been around for decades pal.
Think about it, before you insult someone that has monitored the mannerisms, movements of SPs in their natural habitat for many years.
Yes, I am Presidential and thus, people scrutinize me more than "Common" folk.
That does not mean that I am an asshole.
Susan: We should date sometime. I am funny. And SPs love to be with me.
The Vancouver police had received multiple tips about Piggy's Palace years before but they did not proceed. many lives could have been spared. One excuse was jurisdictional. Most of the women went missing from Vancouver. The Pickton farm is in Port Coquitlam, which is RCMP jurisdiction. It wasn't until years later that the RCMP were informed. Why?
Hopefully this trial won't take the focus off the Vancouver police who chose for one reason or another to slack off even though it was widely suspected that a serial killer may be killing the people they were paid to protect.
Hopefully this trial won't take the focus off the Vancouver police who chose for one reason or another to slack off even though it was widely suspected that a serial killer may be killing the people they were paid to protect.
I will post my view on this but what I have known is gathered from the papers.
It is pretty clear that Pickton is remaining silent (which he has the right to under the Constitution). The presumption is that he is innocent. That is the way criminal law has been for centuries - the need for presumption of innocence and proving beyond reasonable doubt. Whether you like it or not, it is there so that people are not wrongfully convicted.
The defence does not dispute that the remains were found on his property, but the missing link is that he was the one who killed the ladies. He has said at least once that he may have been "set up".
This is where circumstantial evidence comes in, including how his DNA is found on a dildo, etc..
The better debate, I think, is whether we should legalize prostitution so that these mass murders of prostitutes cannot happen again. The "societal value" of paying for sex must be weighed against the danger these women are in because it is not legalized. But then again, this is TERB and it is a topic of another post.
It is pretty clear that Pickton is remaining silent (which he has the right to under the Constitution). The presumption is that he is innocent. That is the way criminal law has been for centuries - the need for presumption of innocence and proving beyond reasonable doubt. Whether you like it or not, it is there so that people are not wrongfully convicted.
The defence does not dispute that the remains were found on his property, but the missing link is that he was the one who killed the ladies. He has said at least once that he may have been "set up".
This is where circumstantial evidence comes in, including how his DNA is found on a dildo, etc..
The better debate, I think, is whether we should legalize prostitution so that these mass murders of prostitutes cannot happen again. The "societal value" of paying for sex must be weighed against the danger these women are in because it is not legalized. But then again, this is TERB and it is a topic of another post.
Cute In A Kilt said:THAT's BS. If you look at the history of the case.... one of the cops in VPD (Kim Rossmo) had been saying since at least 1990's that there was a serial killer. No one listened to this cop, when the lady who was assaulted on the farm came forward, once again this cop felt Willie fit the profile and was ignored again.
Quote from last article:
Friends and relatives of the missing women say they became aware of Robert Pickton after his name surfaced in 1997, when a prostitute and drug addict accused him of trying to stab her to death during an encounter at the farm in 1997. Pickton was charged with attempted murder, aggravated assault and unlawful confinement, but charges were later dropped. The woman, who had run screaming from the farm in handcuffs, reportedly refused to testify. Her whereabouts is unknown.
Sorry but all Kim Rossmo in 1999 was only tring to convience the authories there was infact a serial killer, that's it. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that.
It wasn't until 1998 when Bill Hiscox gave the police information about the Pickton's that they did 3 searches at his residence. They did no searches of his residence after he was charged with attempted murder in 1997.
According to the investigators they found nothing with every search. What were they looking for woman haveing sex at his place? If someone was looking for bodies, wouldnt they try digging something up? Well guess common sense for these investigators did not play a role in their work.
After finding nothing apparently they took Pickton off the list of suspecets cause nothing else about him was investigted at that time.
Kim Rossmo "the profiler" was not quoted saying anything at that time about suspecting Robert Pickton. He just continued to warn other investigators a serial killer was what they had.
You know another thing I find very strange about this whole thing?
2002, He gets arrested for having fire arms...ok they he gets released on bail for that and is somehow caught killing 2 woman? What was it that prompt police to all of a sudden watch Pickton again after so long? How did he get caught murdering these woman? Where were the 2 womens bodies?The article does not say, so I have to wonder. Oh he surely is guilty of these murders on his property and should be in jail or dead yes but for some reason I think many people keeping secrets about these murders.
Susan
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Gerald Ford said:...someone that has monitored the mannerisms, movements of SPs in their natural habitat for many years.
What does that even mean? Do you live in my apartment? Lurk in the Four Seasons Lobby? Hang out in the laundry room of my building?
I like funny people. Sadly, you aren't one.
Vancouver Femme Fatale said:What does that even mean? Do you live in my apartment? Lurk in the Four Seasons Lobby? Hang out in the laundry room of my building?
I like funny people. Sadly, you aren't one.
I have a database of information that goes back 10 years that tells me all I need to know about the movemement of SPs, how they react to certain stimuli and how they desired to be observed.
I use this information to extract the best possible mileage from my SPs.
Does that clarify your question?
Gerald Ford said:Don't know what you are talking about.
I have been around for decades pal.
Think about it, before you insult someone that has monitored the mannerisms, movements of SPs in their natural habitat for many years.
Yes, I am Presidential and thus, people scrutinize me more than "Common" folk.
That does not mean that I am an asshole.
Susan: We should date sometime. I am funny. And SPs love to be with me.
Gerald Ford said:I have a database of information that goes back 10 years that tells me all I need to know about the movemement of SPs, how they react to certain stimuli and how they desired to be observed.
I use this information to extract the best possible mileage from my SPs.
He is only "presidential", not "royal", but could Gerald Ford be.... the GSF???
Papi Chulo said:
He is only "presidential", not "royal", but could Gerald Ford be.... the GSF???
Let's hope so!
What hasn't really come up in this case is the actual location of the Pickton Farm. It is a stones throw from the Wild Duck Inn. Anyone know who hangs at "The Duck"? Anyone?
Papi Chulo said:
He is only "presidential", not "royal", but could Gerald Ford be.... the GSF???
My Database indicates that the GSF only saw SWs.
I see high end SPs.
I hope that clarifies things.
Thanks. Gerry.
The only thing Picton and I have in common is we both see our women as objects versus people.
I however, treat these objects like people when I meet them
.even though they are probably objects
treat them all with respect. And like objects.This is the way to get results in this industry.To clarify: I don't like Picton. His game is weak. Objects are fun. So is pig farming
Why do you feel compelled to objectify these woman to the point that you claim they aren't people?I have a database of information that goes back 10 years that tells me all I need to know about the movemement of SPs, how they react to certain stimuli and how they desired to be observed.
Sociopathic? Delusional? Guilty about something you have done or would like to do?
Gerry are you a pickton wannabe?
Sounds like you're working on it.
Gerald Ford said:I have a database of information that goes back 10 years that tells me all I need to know about the movemement of SPs, how they react to certain stimuli and how they desired to be observed.
I use this information to extract the best possible mileage from my SPs.
Does that clarify your question?
How you would clarify my question, I'm not sure; however your answer certainly does further my impression that you are, indeed, not funny. Trying too hard; yes; limited social skills; yes; funny; not so much.
Party on...
