RIP Jack Layton

[Lord_Rambures]

Jack and Olivia billed it to the taxpayers as a bonus and it was not part of a budget which they did or did not have as councillor and then they bought their unmortgaged home in China town after living in a housing co-operative subsidized by the federal government. Btw, Olivia has thyroid cancer which is currently in remission and once she becomes sick and leader of the NDP party, parliament will throw away more of taxpayers money for a state funeral and then send it back to Hong Kong where is was born.:canada:

Your response makes absolutely no sense - no one, not even Jack and Olivia, can just bill the taxpayers for anything. Do you understand how politics and political funding works in Canada? Obviously not.

As for the co op LOL For the last time, Jack and Olivia paid full market rent for their units - the Federal Government did not subsidize their units!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_cooperative

The federal and provincial governments in Canada developed legislation in the 1970s that aided potential co-ops by providing start-up funding and financing through mortgages via an agency called the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC). The government simultaneously began to encourage the development of resource groups to contract with fledgling boards of directors of housing co-ops to develop co-operatives either in turnkey buildings or buildings designed and constructed by architects and builders with which the board contracted to deliver the service. Supervised by the board, the resource groups marketed the units to suitable members, educated them about their rights and obligations as co-operators, and established a management structure which usually included paid staff. These organizations helped in forming initial policies and holding the organization together while all the necessary work is done.

The federal government tied its loan assistance to requirements that these housing co-ops provide a percentage of their units, usually at least 15 to 20 per cent, for what are termed income-tested residents. These people voluntarily provide information to the co-op on a confidential basis about their gross income, and their rent is calculated according to a formula. If the calculated rent is less than the market rent of the units, then the federal government, through another formula, would provide funding to those units to bring their unit revenue up to the market rate. This produced mixed-income co-op housing, in which relatively well-off people lived side-by-side with relatively low-income people and worked with them on committees. This often had the ripple effect of improving the financial health of those less well-off. (It's interesting to note that, depending on your political point of view, such government payments for offsetting the rent could be considered subsidy of the low-income people, or a contractual business arrangement between the government and the co-op which helps to stabilize revenue to the co-op in exchange for accomplishing a social goal for the government for a specific period. This dichotomy is typical of the fact that a housing co-op is somewhere between a corporation and a social agency, and where one places it depends on one's viewpoint—and the collective viewpoint of each housing co-op.)

 

[fmahovalich]

This is not unlike the old days when people went to see ELVIS at a concert....or the Beatles..and once there the screaming and shouting starts. it escalates to crying by a few..and then when each (young girls usually) looks at another..it makes her CRY. On and on...like dominoes.... Hard to explain why. On their own a girl would not cry, but in a pack, the mob mentality takes over and EVERYONE crys and wails for ELVIS.

Likewise...social media..in a very two dimensional way, allows this to happen in an exponential fashion. People jump on facebook and tweeter and work each other into a lather or crescendo of sadness, and it explodes out like a tsunami. No one knows why. They just cry...for ELVIS and JACK.

 

[blackram]

This is not unlike the old days when people went to see ELVIS at a concert....or the Beatles..and once there the screaming and shouting starts. it escalates to crying by a few..and then when each (young girls usually) looks at another..it makes her CRY. On and on...like dominoes.... Hard to explain why. On their own a girl would not cry, but in a pack, the mob mentality takes over and EVERYONE crys and wails for ELVIS.

Or Justin Bieber now.

 

[moviefan]

Its obvious you don't like him, but you have to let this go. You have no idea how small minded and petty you appear to most people on this board.

I don't care if people think I'm small-minded and petty. On TERB, that may make me part of the majority.

Nonetheless, if you re-read post #14 on the first page of this thread, you will discover I was one of the first people to express my condolences.

And, incidentally, I did walk through Nathan Phillips Square about 30 minutes ago (I'm on a Staycation this week, so I was out for a walk). It was nice to see the messages to Jack and there did seem to be a number of people around.

Does this represent an "outpouring of emotion?" I don't know. He obviously meant something special to some people. For others, I suspect they were naturally saddened by the news but not necessarily overwhelmed by it.

 

[Loosely]

NDP leader Jack Layton lived in subsidized housing with $120,000 income

Here are straight facts:


http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/...ved-in-subsidized-housing-with-120000-income/

Layton, who is married to fellow NDP MP Olivia Chow, elicits strong feelings both for and against. His critics say he is a tax-and-spend socialist while supporters are almost moony-like in their adoration of the man.

“I quite like the guy as a person,” said Harper cabinet minister John Baird, “but his solution to everything is increase taxes and increase spending.”

From time to time he has been criticized for saying one thing and doing another, including being caught red-handed in 1985 living in subsidized housing in Toronto when his and Olivia Chow, then a Toronto trustee, were raking in a combined $120,000 year.

“Jack once told me many years after that incident that it is the one thing he has never able to purge or expunge from the public’s mind, this apparent contradiction,” said former seatmate Brian Ashton.

 

[hardy2003]

Why bother discussing this? If we found out Jack Layton was a sexually sadistic serial killer of children his supporters would still defend him.....probably blame George Bush.

 

[Lord_Rambures]

Here are straight facts:


http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/...ved-in-subsidized-housing-with-120000-income/

Layton, who is married to fellow NDP MP Olivia Chow, elicits strong feelings both for and against. His critics say he is a tax-and-spend socialist while supporters are almost moony-like in their adoration of the man.

“I quite like the guy as a person,” said Harper cabinet minister John Baird, “but his solution to everything is increase taxes and increase spending.”

From time to time he has been criticized for saying one thing and doing another, including being caught red-handed in 1985 living in subsidized housing in Toronto when his and Olivia Chow, then a Toronto trustee, were raking in a combined $120,000 year.

“Jack once told me many years after that incident that it is the one thing he has never able to purge or expunge from the public’s mind, this apparent contradiction,” said former seatmate Brian Ashton.

Its obvious to me, that even though I provided you with the information that clearly explained how a co op works, you still don't get it. Jack and Olivia were paying $800 per month for a 3 bedroom apartment in 1988 - you do realize that rents have increased over the past 20+ years, don't you? $800 per month was market rent in 1988.


What the hell is wintery knight word press? If you consider that an accurate account of what transpired 20+ years ago, then my source is just as good.

http://drdawgsblawg.ca/2011/04/lousy-dirty-liberal-politics-ii.shtml

Now that Jack Layton is riding high, the pro-Liberal newspaper the Toronto Star is playing dirty politics:

From time to time [Jack Layton] has been criticized for saying one thing and doing another, including being caught red-handed in 1985 living in subsidized housing in Toronto when his and Olivia Chow, then a Toronto trustee, were raking in a combined $120,000 year.

“Caught red-handed?” Good Lord.

Let’s try to lay this roorback to rest one more time.

On June 14, 1990, a Toronto Star hack named Tom Kerr accused Layton and Chow of living in subsidized housing in the Hazelburn Co-op on a more than healthy joint income.

Turned out it was all nonsense. 70% of the units in the co-op were being rented at market rates, including Chow and Layton’s digs. By March, 1990 they voluntarily began paying additional funds to offset their portion of the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation subsidy to the co-op—the only members of the co-op who did so.

Responding to Kerr’s faux-exposé, the co-op board stated the plain facts: mixed-income tenancy was how co-ops survived. In June, 1990, the Toronto city solicitor cleared Layton and Chow of any wrongdoing.* Later that month, the two bought a house in Toronto’s Chinatown with Chow’s mother, something they had been planning for a while.

Now the Star is raking up a 21-year-old smear once again. But the above, I trust, puts this further graf in context:

“Jack once told me many years after that incident that it is the one thing he has never able to purge or expunge from the public’s mind, this apparent contradiction,” said former seatmate Brian Ashton.

“Apparent.” And like any other Big Lie, it becomes more difficult to “purge or expunge” with every sleazy, politically-motivated repetition.

How desperate can the Liberals and their dutiful house-organ be?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Layton

Layton and Chow were also the subject of some dispute when a June 14, 1990, Toronto Star article by Tom Kerr accused them of unfairly living in a housing co-operative subsidized by the federal government, despite their high income.[29] Layton and Chow had both lived in the Hazelburn co-op since 1985, and lived together in an $800 per month three-bedroom apartment after their marriage in 1988. By 1990, their combined annual income was $120,000, and in March of that year they began voluntarily paying an additional $325 per month to offset their share of the co-op's Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation subsidy, the only members of the co-op to do so. In response to the article, the co-op's board argued that having mixed-income tenants was crucial to the success of co-ops, and that the laws deliberately set aside apartments for those willing to pay market rates, such as Layton and Chow.[30] During the late 1980s and early 1990s they maintained approximately 30% of their units as low income units and provided the rest at what they considered market rent. In June 1990, the city's solicitor cleared the couple of any wrong-doing,[31] and later that month, Layton and Chow left the co-op and bought a house in Toronto's Chinatown together with Chow's mother, a move they said had been planned for some time.[32] Former Toronto mayor John Sewell later wrote in NOW that rival Toronto city councillor Tom Jakobek had given the story to Tom Kerr.[33]

 

[moviefan]

Now that Jack Layton is riding high, the pro-Liberal newspaper the Toronto Star is playing dirty politics....

The comments in that article about the Star being a Liberal newspaper are certainly true. But the article is reaching a bit in its argument. In this year's federal election, the Star endorsed Layton and the NDP.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/article/983376--toronto-star-endorses-the-ndp

 

[Lord_Rambures]

Your comments about the Star being a Liberal newspaper are certainly true. But you're reaching a bit in your argument. In this year's federal election, the Star endorsed Layton and the NDP.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/article/983376--toronto-star-endorses-the-ndp

Those aren't my words. I posted the link at the start of the article.

I have been trying, in vain I might add, to educate a Terb member on how co ops work. I was attempting to demonstrate how Jack and Olivia were well within their rights to live in the Hazelburn Co Op.

 

[moviefan]

Those aren't my words. I posted the link at the start of the article.

My apologies, I misunderstood. I have corrected my previous post.

 

[Loosely]

Jack Layton found naked in whorehouse in 1996

Here's exactly what happened with Jack at the bordello and John Layton is his legal name.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JLzGHWAcdA0

 

[omegaphallic]

Here is some, just some of Jack's accomplishments that I believe deserve to be acknowleged.

1) Jack and his team worked with the Tories to craft the accountablity act. Jack did not feel it went far enough, but his influence was still on that act.

2) The NDP Budget during the Paul Martin government. Weather the money that flowed was more amazing or the fact that Jack managed to force a Liberal leader to keep his promises (such as on childcare).

3) His foresight. He was an enviromentalist before it was cool, He was willing to talk to the enemy before everyone else admitted that it would be needed in Afganistan, He saw the 2008 recession coming while Steven had his head in the sand.

4) He had the hardest hand of any NDP leader in a minority, but he still managed to get results on various things.

5) During the Majority some said that he wouldn't have as much influence yet Jack pushed his team towards propostion instead of just bitching about Harper's desisions. Comartin got the tories to seperate an important piece of the crime bill that the NDP supported to pass it quickly and Paul Dewar got the millions for Libyan civilians from Harper and a firm end date for the mission. This ties in with the Next one.

6) His team. Wear Harper ruthlessly crushes real talent such Jim Prentice on his team, Jack nutured talent, which is why his front bench is such huge wellspring of talent of people that share Jack's commitment to people and optimism and hope. People attracted to his vision because they shared it.

7) Extended EI benifits. If anyone really believes that tories did that for any other reason then for Jack's support are kidding themselves.

8) Jack's greatest achievement and one which even those on the right can agree, smashing the Bloc so hard thier provicial counter parts in the PQ fractured. The PQ were leading in the polls till Jack crushed the BQ federally so throughly that PQers of various strips freaked out and chaos and divisions in soverniegnist movement appeared. The BQ and PQ will be in for massive infighting and divisions for a generation or more. Plenty of time for the NDP to convert many more to federalism.

Attempts to try and steal the NDPs thunder in Quebec by the Liberals will only freshly reopen wounds in that party between the Trudue wing and the Pearson Wing that disagree about how to approach Quebec (not to mention the attacks on Turmel about former Bloc membership will make converting Fracophones harder, which will make tempting Anglo and Allophones in Quebec harder as the NDP will remain the greater force politically in Quebec.

 

[blackram]

8) Jack's greatest achievement and one which even those on the right can agree, smashing the Bloc so hard thier provicial counter parts in the PQ fractured. The PQ were leading in the polls till Jack crushed the BQ federally so throughly that PQers of various strips freaked out and chaos and divisions in soverniegnist movement appeared. The BQ and PQ will be in for massive infighting and divisions for a generation or more. Plenty of time for the NDP to convert many more to federalism.

Attempts to try and steal the NDPs thunder in Quebec by the Liberals will only freshly reopen wounds in that party between the Trudue wing and the Pearson Wing that disagree about how to approach Quebec (not to mention the attacks on Turmel about former Bloc membership will make converting Fracophones harder, which will make tempting Anglo and Allophones in Quebec harder as the NDP will remain the greater force politically in Quebec.

Jack had the signs of a Quebec powerbroker in the making. Highly unusual for a non-Quebecer. But then again Quebecers were not exactly showing any love for their home-grown politicians, like Chretien or Paul Martin. It would've been an interesting scene in the Commons watching what remaining Quebec Liberal and Conservative MPs having to accede to Jack as the voice of Quebec.

 

[james t kirk]

Jack had the signs of a Quebec powerbroker in the making. Highly unusual for a non-Quebecer. But then again Quebecers were not exactly showing any love for their home-grown politicians, like Chretien or Paul Martin. It would've been an interesting scene in the Commons watching what remaining Quebec Liberal and Conservative MPs having to accede to Jack as the voice of Quebec.

Jack was actually born and raised in Quebec.

He came to T.O. to study at York I believe and later took a job at Ryerson.

So he is a "fils du Quebec". And he spoke French like a Quebecois from what my Quebec friends tell me. So there was an appeal.

I think Jack ran a good campaign last election. His mantra of "don't let them tell you it can't be done" struck a chord with people.


But I totally agree that Jack and the NDP smashed the BQ to smithereens, though I would not be entirely surprised to see the BQ make a semi come-back next election. (Anyone remember the ADQ in Quebec?)

 

[blackram]

Jack was actually born and raised in Quebec.

He came to T.O. to study at York I believe and later took a job at Ryerson.

No, I realize he was born in Quebec, but still his entire political experience came from Toronto politics, not Quebec.

There's a certain irony to a title like, "Quebec powerlord Jack Layton, MP from Toronto".

So he is a "fils du Quebec". And he spoke French like a Quebecois from what my Quebec friends tell me. So there was an appeal.

But he ran at least 2-3 campaigns prior to that, and his french was the same back then. So why did they finally notice him right then, rather than previously?

But I totally agree that Jack and the NDP smashed the BQ to smithereens, though I would not be entirely surprised to see the BQ make a semi come-back next election. (Anyone remember the ADQ in Quebec?)

I don't think so, the BQ was started by charismatic men like Lucien Bouchard, when Gilles Duceppe took over he eventually became a charismatic man himself. Of the 4 MPs left from the Bloque now, I don't think anybody knows them outside of Quebec, and likely they aren't even all that known in Quebec itself. Parties like the BQ run on the strength of charismatic leaders to keep them going. When there is no such leader then there's not much of a party left, and not much to restart the party from either.

 

[fuji]

No, I realize he was born in Quebec, but still his entire political experience came from Toronto politics, not Quebec.

Until recently. I noticed when I was in Quebec last week that some people still have their "Jack Layton" election signs up.

 

[Jennifer_]

I went by Nathan Phillips Square on my home just now and was once again moved by the number of people there.
The lineup of people waiting in line to pay their respects was so long.....
I'm so proud of our city.

 

[train]

Has anyone seen a request from the family or the NDP saying that in lieu of flowers at memorial sites or buying orange t-shirts they would like donations made in his memory to Princess Margaret or Sunnybrook or the Canadian Cancer Society?

 

[Loosely]

Cancer story should be told - Details of Jack Layton’s illness could help others

We were told it was a second cancer. It would satisfy usually an idiot, and I'm being polite, like you. The state funeral ws offered by the government of Canada and they accepted the invitation. They did not seek it. As for the dead troops, Layton was against them going. Your curios about a whole lot of things, most which were a waste of time.

I guess I'm not the only one who feels this way.

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/08/26/cancer-story-should-be-told

Cancer story should be told 0 Details of Jack Layton’s illness could help others

By Connie Woodcock ,Toronto Sun
First posted: Sunday, August 28, 2011 08:10 PM EDT | Updated: Friday, August 26, 2011 08:43 PM EDT

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The funeral is over, the shock and sorrow have receded a bit, but there remains one more big service Jack Layton can do for Canadians.

So perhaps when their grief begins to ease in coming months, his family will consider sharing more details of his cancers and their treatment.

Four thousand Canadians die of prostate cancer each year even though 90% of these cancers, caught early enough, are cured.

As a prostate cancer survivor, my husband, Glen, has been one of likely thousands of men who are wondering about the late Opposition leader’s prostate cancer, the choices he made and the outcome.

Glen and I wondered why Jack chose radiation therapy over surgery, what his options were and whether indeed he even had a choice.

Why should it be any of our business?

Because prostate cancer is one of the most common forms of the disease men can face and the hardest to face up to.

And because Jack was Jack and widely admired, the details could help many frightened men trying to make their own decision.

With prostate cancer, unlike any other, there are twin elephants in the room that are rarely discussed in public: impotence and incontinence.

There’s the possibility you could never have sex again if you choose surgery.

And what if you never regain urinary control?

Yet it seems to us both that surgery is the best option.

All the people we know who had surgery are alive and well; all the people who didn’t are either dead or dying. Sure, it’s possible you may have a difficult time having sex, but there are options and new stronger drugs.

There are also new, less invasive surgical techniques.

Simple choice

And really, which would you rather be — alive or dead?

Many men are so afraid of bad news, they don’t even take the PSA (prostate specific antigen) test that will show changes indicating cancer may be present.

They used to be able to blame OHIP for not paying for the test, but that changed two years ago for PSA tests related to diagnosing and monitoring prostate cancer, so that excuse no longer exists for eligible men.

If you do get the test and then require a biopsy which indicates cancer, you find that your doctor likely won’t tell you which is the best option — radiation, chemotherapy, surgery or “watchful waiting.”

 

[Relic]

Jack had every so called "oppressed" segment of society represented in his service. I was just waiting for a pro choice, black, feminist, atheist, height challenged lesbian to come up and sing a tune in his memory.