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[repost] Amanda's slide into hell (Toronto Sun, 19/10/03)

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A tragic story that should remind us that this "hobby" has consequences.
 

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The story in the Sun is cheap sensationalism meant
to sell newspapers. It shies away from any real
examination of Amanda's life and death. Amanda
was born to a child. This child-mother was
ill-equipped to manage her own life much less that
of a child.

So where do we go from here. Amanda falls into a
system that processes her. There is the intake
report at children's aid and the assessment reports
and the caregiver reports and the reports to the
Family courts. And as long as all the reports
are done all is well with the system.

But all is not well with Amanda.

Amanda is not given the opportunities, options, love
and support that other children receive. She is not
given what she needs. Her mother is incapable of
raising a child and the system society has put in
place of the mother is not capable of raising a child.

Amanda then starts taking drugs. Given her mother's
predisposition to alcholism - it is not surprising that
Amanda abuses drugs. Even the strongest of adults find
it difficult to overcome addictions. A child is not
equipped to deal with addiction. She needed the very best
in psychiatric support and care - but this is reserved for
Forest Hill matrons grieving the loss of their French poodles.

This is not a story of a girl in the streets. This should
be a story on how and why a system fails a child born to a
child-mother. This should examine what it will take
to prevent this tragedy from repeating itself over and over.
 

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Cheap sensationalism or not, this story touched my heart! Perhaps because I am a father, but this story needed to be told. Yes Amanda did not have a great start to life, but I admire her moxie! This girl lived more in her 19 years than most people ever will. I admire her strength and determination. Although it is a path that I hope my children won't take, it is a lesson to us all about the Human spirit!

The real story here folks in case you missed it, is that the is/are some very unhealthy people that are on the fringe of society that pray on the disenfranchised. Unfortunately, Amanda dropped her guard a little to low this night and payed with her life. I see a story of a very brave Little girl, that did more with her life than anyone ever expected. Yes she was a drug addict and a prostitute. But how would you handle the pain she harboured?

I hope that you girls take care to protect yourselves. I don't enjoy reading stories like this. You should be reveered for your work, not despised. Your work has healed many marriages, saved many lost souls and is more about the psyche than it is about the sex!

Chivas
 

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Nice post chivas.........
 

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Chivas Regal said:
but I admire her moxie! This girl lived more in her 19 years than most people ever will. I admire her strength and determination.
Strength and determination ? I think not . Sad , regretable , disgust and hate ( with the pimps and clients of an 11 to 17 year old ) cause to reconsider , all of these phrases are more appropriate . Stength , moxie and determination are not .

If the account is to be believed she was addicted to the easy money and the drugs . It also sounds like she had every reason to be a "damaged " soul . But so was her sister . Her sister was the strong one . She was the weak one . We are not well equipped to save the "weak" ones and that is what is sad .
 

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train said:
Strength and determination ? I think not . Sad , regretable , disgust and hate ( with the pimps and clients of an 11 to 17 year old ) cause to reconsider , all of these phrases are more appropriate . Stength , moxie and determination are not .

If the account is to be believed she was addicted to the easy money and the drugs . It also sounds like she had every reason to be a "damaged " soul . But so was her sister . Her sister was the strong one . She was the weak one . We are not well equipped to save the "weak" ones and that is what is sad .

I diasagree.........She did the best SHE could with the social skills and mental health she had.
Do you think its easy for a 13 year old to survive in the streets?It is not.
Strength???
Oh yes.
 

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miranda said:

Do you think its easy for a 13 year old to survive in the streets?It is not.
Strength???
Oh yes.
I don't wish to get into an argument here because this distracts from the tragedy....but the point was that she didn't survive . She was a casualty of the ugly side of life .
 

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Dr Watchsom said:
Amandas story has nothing to do with this hobby. We do not promote drug and child abuse.
Nowhere did I say that we promote drug and child abuse so don't imply that I did.

My point was that one of the consequences of this "hobby" is that stories like Amanda's do happen. If we forget that this other side exists then we condemn girls like her to a life of suffering that all too often ends the way that hers did.

And yes this story has everything to do with this "hobby". If not for the money she got walking the streets there would be no low-life pimps putting her out there and feeding her drug habit. If you think that if you took street prostitution out of her life that the result was guaranteed to have been exactly the same then you are sadly mistaken. And since you brought it up, the child abuse she suffered was at the hands of people involved in this "hobby". Albeit not condoned by anyone on this board it is part of this "hobby" nonetheless.
 

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train said:
I don't wish to get into an argument here because this distracts from the tragedy....but the point was that she didn't survive . She was a casualty of the ugly side of life .

She survived for 8 years,which obviously was what I referring to.
 
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Another view . . .

As a (very occasional) hobbyist, I was saddened by Amanda's story. Yes, it was sensational but when you're reading the Sun that's what you can expect.

Cut through the sensation and there was a story of a breathing, living woman -- no child -- who fell (was pushed? stumbled? plunged?) into lifestyle that destroyed her.

Here's the problem. From what I've read most participants on this board are responsible hobbyists or SPs. Most would, I suspect, recoil at what happened to her.

But the fact we freely elected this "outlet" creates a market that the young and vulnurable can fall prey to, particular if pulled in by those say on the edges of the hobby. Are we not, to some degree, responsible for this dark side?

If so, maybe it's communities such as TERB that -- if we really want to commit to it -- can help prevent such abuse in the future.

IMHO.
 

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Re: Another view . . .

Gord's Bro said:


But the fact we freely elected this "outlet" creates a market that the young and vulnurable can fall prey to, particular if pulled in by those say on the edges of the hobby. Are we not, to some degree, responsible for this dark side?

If so, maybe it's communities such as TERB that -- if we really want to commit to it -- can help prevent such abuse in the future.

IMHO.
First of all the only people that are creating a market for 12 year olds are pedophiles . This is a special and hideous perversion . These animals would no more see a 30 yr old sp than I would someone under 21 . I don't see the link to what we discuss here on Terb other than to warn people if they see any evidence of underage girls . I wish we could make it stop but how ?
 

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the streets are tough on kids !

Does anyone remember the shoe shine boy in To,I think his name was Emanuel Jacks? He was not in the sex for money game but became a victim at the hands of 3 whacko's.I think he was young,around 12 or so? It Does require strength to live on the street,these kids do not stand a chance,period!We have failed them some where along the road.Society has all but forgotten the poor,the homeless,the unfortunate,untill a tragedy strikes and then we all get up on our soapboxes and blame the other person.This is life,and it will not change.I feel sorry for the parents,but even they have said they had no control over her,she seemed to know what she wanted? Death was not her goal,but is her reality.
The only hope left for her now is for everyone to try and find those that are responsible for killing her.
 

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Love_da_Booty said:
It is no longer a hobby when an 11 year old gets into prostitution and "johns" take advantage of that. Some "johns" may have not known and may not be responsible but those that did know and took advantage of this poor life...disgust me and are comparable to the film that collects around my toilet bowl!

It is sad to see that the system failed this poor girl. Hopefully it can be corrected to prevent this from happening again, although this should have not happened in the first place...but the people involved did have their hands tied with red tape.

All i am saying is my heart goes out to this young girl and her sister. I could care less about her mother/father etc as they all IMHO contributed to this poor childs fate.

Rest in Peace Amanda

LDB
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LdB...

Many men find this a hard subject to speak about, it brings up some guilt, and in many cases some feeilings that they keep recessed. I too, thought there would be more comments on this subject.
It is hard enough to stuggle thru life and then have to fear something like this happening to you're own family. It is like the surprised neighbour that 'never realized that little Johnny was beaten all those years by his parents", they were such nice people. I can't beleive they killed him.
It is much easier to look away when you suspect something wrong than it is to actually face it.

Chivas
 

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Well, it may be a matter of putting one's "best face forward", or the actuality of the kinds of men who are drawn into participating in TERB-like activity. But I, too, was surprised.

Then again, the "best face forward" may by and large explain the lack of TERB participants with a tortured-artist draw to the "dark side" of the habit, perhaps drawn to SPs and their lump-in-the-throat sagas as mirrors of their own damaged souls. And surely, some of the SPs in here must have had a few of those kinds of clients.

(I've been thinking that over a lot today in the aftermath of Elliott Smith's suicide...)
 

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Today's Sun...

http://www.torontosun.com/Columnists/williamson.html

October 26, 2003
Society's child

Whatever happened to Ontario's law to take teen hookers off the streets?
By LINDA WILLIAMSON -- Toronto Sun
She made news when she was just 11, was the subject of feature articles at 15 - and a long obituary when she died. At only 19.

She was famous, or perhaps infamous, but too anonymous for the public to really care.

We called her "Kimberly," but as my Sun colleague Michele Mandel revealed in an in-depth portrait a week ago, her real name was Amanda Lynn Aldridge. She was a prostitute - a child prostitute who grew into a garden-variety hooker - notorious (because she was once known as Toronto's youngest streetwalker), but ultimately, in death, faceless.

Mandel detailed the grim specifics of Kimberly/Amanda's life, but there was a chilling universality to it, too - the all-too-common story of the seedy world of prostitution.

Fleeing the dysfunctional family, falling into the clutches of pimps, then trapped by drug addiction. As Michele recounted, this lost innocent told loved ones she expected to die before she turned 20, and she was right.

Kimberly/Amanda's death by a drug overdose was an almost mundane end to a shocking life - a quickly forgotten statistic. But that in itself points to a sickness in our society, and a failure of all the systems we trust to protect children.

Her case was well-known, but she was - is - far from alone.

Study after study has documented hundreds of child prostitutes on Canadian city streets, with an average age of 14 (which just happens to be this country's age of sexual consent, and which our powers that be seem to have no interest in changing). That average suggests, of course, that there are plenty of so-called "teen hookers" out there who are younger - not yet "teens" at all.

And the fact that they're out there by the hundreds - on our streets, not in some faraway, lawless country - means there's a strong demand for their "services." Lots of pedophiles, perverts, criminals, paying children to abuse them. Yet what are we doing about it?

In Kimberly/Amanda's case, police publicly lamented that their efforts to get her off the street were useless, thanks in large part to laws that let children as young as 16 do just about anything they want no matter what harm it does them.

She openly taunted them, saying once she was 16 they couldn't touch her. Oh, they could arrest her once in a while, but within days she'd be back out there, turning tricks and feeding her drug habit.

(Which, of course, speaks volumes about what a joke our laws on pimping, "escort serivces" and drug trafficking are.)

What struck me as sadder still, though, was the knowledge that there was a law that might have helped Kimberly/Amanda, and hundreds like her, if only our politicians had cared enough to act on it sooner.

Right now, Alberta is the only province in Canada where police actually take teen hookers off the street for their own protection, and put them in a "safe house" for 30 days - enough time to break the grip of the pimps, the drugs and the lure of the street. (Confining wayward kids to their rooms - what a concept!)

Ontario, too, had good intentions in this regard. Former Tory premier Mike Harris endorsed the idea of such a law in 1999. One was drafted (arising out of a private member's bill by a Liberal, MPP Rick Bartolucci) and agreed to in 2000, but it wasn't passed into law until 2002. Yet, shamefully, to this day, it has never been proclaimed; i.e., it's not in effect.

Why not? Well, "safe houses" plus the needed additional law enforcement would cost money - and we all know how tight that is at the provincial level (although, as we learned last week, the feds are awash in surplus cash again).

Whatever the excuses, they come too late for Kimberly/ Amanda. The question now must be, will Ontario's new Liberal government - which has launched its own "children's ministry," whatever that is - finally act on this?

Better yet, will they push their federal cousins - whose legacy to children is pretty paltry so far - to make it a national priority? (After all, aren't street kids across Canada entitled to the same protection they've had in Alberta for three years now?)

Or will they, like millions of Canadians, continue to turn a blind eye to the hundreds of lost little girls (and boys) in the deadly so-called sex trade?
 
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