You and Kirk have already decided the guys are innocent.
Until very recently, women who complained about being raped were routinely mocked and disbelieved by cops as well.
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Until very recently, women who complained about being raped were routinely mocked and disbelieved by cops as well.
So you can see how tough this would be for a jury, if all of us here on this forum in this thread were on the jury, we would be fighting forever on the verdict. This is not an easy case one way or the other I can see them being guilty I could see them being not guilty. This is a real tough one.
You know it doesn't matter to me at all, but what bothers me is that you reported incorrect information to all of us and there's too much of that going on as it is...here in the middle of the story is the reason...
This is the second time I've had to put this link on this forum to dispute the garbage that other people here have been reporting
Why the jury was dismissed at the Hockey Canada sexual assault trial
A second jury dismissed and case will be proceeding by judge alone after juror complained about the conduct of two defence lawyerslfpress.com
"The first panel of jurors was instructed not to speak with anyone involved in the trial. During a lunch break at the Covent Garden Market, one juror alleged a defence lawyer spoke to them while they were waiting in a line.
The juror told another juror about the alleged interaction, who then spread the details around to other members of the jury. The defence lawyer denied there was an interaction. "
I believe that Rosie DiManno reported this differently. I think she said that the juror overheard something spoken, and repeated it to another juror.
Good you have seen the light...Rosie was wrong... The information that I gave you was right from somebody in the courtroom...you said the Judge was involved.
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Do you believe that the Crown’s case is falling apart or strengthening ?
I don't think it's either, the Crowns gonna have a chance to question all those people they have 40 witnesses on their list and they're on number five now, there's a long way to go.
And then the defence calls their witnesses, and the Crown will be able to pick them apart, like what the defence is trying to do to the Crowns witnesses.
The Crown knew going in that the players would say "consent" was given.
The problem I have here is that I was having a dialogue with Mandrill. He asked:You know it doesn't matter to me at all, but what bothers me is that you reported incorrect information to all of us and there's too much of that going on as it is...here in the middle of the story is the reason...
This is the second time I've had to put this link on this forum to dispute the garbage that other people here have been reporting
Why the jury was dismissed at the Hockey Canada sexual assault trial
A second jury dismissed and case will be proceeding by judge alone after juror complained about the conduct of two defence lawyers
I told him where to find the information, and summarized it to the extent of my reconciliation. I was not "reporting information to all of us." I was having a dialogue with Mandrill, as I have been wont to do in the past, with respect to legal matters, baseball and tits. I gave him a source for the information he requested.
Your post #313:
directly followed mine, and I had believed it to have been written by Mandrill - I saw his sad face reaction. In hindsight, it's my bad that I didn't check to confirm which handle was replying to my post addressed to Mandrill. In hindsight, I should have known that he would not leave a nineteen word post unedited, when there were two spelling errors. I've also never known him to use ellipsis.
Mine is an error of omission. Yours is an error of commission.
Imagine that this thread is happening in real time and in real life, in a real place. While I'm in conversation with Mandrill, you're effectively eavesdropping, with a belief that 'all that you hear is meant for your ears.' Very possibly this same assumption may have been held by the juror from the original jury.
While it is likely that some of my recollection of Rosie DiManno's column is not entirely correct, I could reasonably expect Mandrill to have, or have access to, a copy of today's Toronto Star. If Mandrill had written post #313, the sarcasm in my reply, (#317), would have been both apparent and appropriate.
As a matter of etiquette, if you wish to comment to me about my reply in a dialogue in which you are not a party, perhaps you could start your reply with @ and my handle, instead of clicking the reply button.
If I was a pollster, and I asked for public opinions as to whether or not they agree or disagree with the text of my post #320, there are many who would agree, and many would strongly agree. The image is posted as a hyperlink because one expects the decision to agree or disagree with the statement would be made before viewing the image.
Wrong about me. the trial isn't over yet, so I haven't decided on a verdict yet. I have frequently cautioned about the danger of 'the court of public opinion', and the danger of reaching any conclusion based on some of the facts.
Okay my opinion is that she is not inebriated here...Ran this by a female friend of mine who said if she was drunk she would have taken off her heels. I'd never thought of that.
She claims that she was drunk when she made the second consent video...She claims that she said she was sober because she thinks that was what she was being coached to say or she was intimated.
So I'm assuming she left the room shortly after the shower and second consent video...I wonder how much time elapsed between the two.
I get the feeling that she's remembering events different than what actually happened.
Is it possible that the players unknowingly took advantage of someone who has some mental health issues?
Here’s some thoughts…
-lots of drunken women keep their heels on, not a lot of barefoot women on the dancefloor
-she also quit drinking about 3 hours before her exit out of the lobby
-so you think she’s remembering things differently but the players are dead on? They were all drinking…the players have the advantage of a group chat to get their stories straight plus Dubé made some phone calls that we don’t know what was discussed,but you trust the player’s stories?
-did I miss the mental health angle, first time I heard it mentioned…what makes you think mental health is a factor?
When I read back some of the views, some of those people wouldn’t have convicted Mike Tyson…the victim there never said No and didn’t stop him.
A barefoot woman carrying her high heels is the focus of almost every walk of shame picture:
