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The Oracle

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The 3:25 am video was before she had sex with the other players. In that video she claims "I'm ok with this". So you're asserting that she was told to say that by the players? Simply because that's her story and you find her believable. No corroboration. That's not enough to convict beyond a reasonable doubt in my opinion.
She's asserting that she was drunk and doesn't remember making either of those videos.

The defense is challenging her level of intoxication on that night. Examining the video of her walking normally in heels out of the bar and later into the hotel. They've also stated the the Jager Bomb shots were only half shots that night. That asked her what her what her weight was and she replied 120lbs I believe but when she went to the hospital a few days later she weighed 138lbs. Now she is saying that she didn't have anything to eat before going out that night but the defense is saying she's just adding that now to bolster her story....
 
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The 3:25 am video was before she had sex with the other players. In that video she claims "I'm ok with this". So you're asserting that she was told to say that by the players? Simply because that's her story and you find her believable. No corroboration. That's not enough to convict beyond a reasonable doubt in my opinion.
That’s wrong…the video was taken after the other players had sex with her.
 

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That’s wrong…the video was taken after the other players had sex with her.
''A note about the “consent videos” that have come up in this trial.

The videos were taken by one of the accused between 3 a.m. and 5 a.m., after the alleged assault, appearing to show E.M. saying “it was all consensual.”

E.M. has told the court she doesn’t remember making the video and she believes the player, McLeod, was coaching her into saying what she said.''
 
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This trial will be really bad. Really bad for woman victim of sexual abuse.

It's not because you wake up the next day feeling 'dirty' that it was sexual abuse...
 
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He said he went to the room because he heard there was food there...really? He must have missed McLeods message to the team asking "who wants a 3-way", I guess the other 9 guys came for the 3-way but he came for food...but he does implicate Carter Hart...
 

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I found this quote from the link in post #247 to be intriguing.

" E.M. has told the court she doesn’t remember making the video and she believes the player, McLeod, was coaching her into saying what she said. ".

I don't know if it's just the way the sentence has been worded, but to me this says:

'I believed I was coerced into saying what I said in the video I don't remember being in'.
 
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He said he went to the room because he heard there was food there...really? He must have missed McLeods message to the team asking "who wants a 3-way", I guess the other 9 guys came for the 3-way but he came for food...
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There are probably hundreds of Polish jokes which are essentially riffs on this same sort of obtuse comprehension.

Added: In addition to White men and talking animals, it's apparently OK to the easily offended community to make jokes about the Polish, Newfies, blondes and Russians, but not the Chinese and other vulnerable minorities.
 
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You can still consent if you are intoxicated. That happens all the time. Its whether she was intoxicated enough that she couldn't understand what she was doing. That doesn't seem to be the case based on the video/audio. As for her explaining the consent by saying she was pressured into saying that the Crown needs to prove that. So how do you do that? One way is to have an expert analyze her voice/actions on video to determine whether it was under duress. As far as I know the Crown hasn't provided as such.
That's not a recognized expertise, Kirk.

And the jury doesn't need an "expert" to tell them how to read a person.
 

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There are probably hundreds of Polish jokes which are essentially riffs on this same sort of obtuse comprehension.

Added: In addition to White men and talking animals, it's apparently OK to the easily offended community to make jokes about the Polish, Newfies, blondes and Russians, but not the Chinese and other vulnerable minorities.
Oh they were invited for chili…and here I thought it was something else.
 

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Wowza, but believeable?

If she was willing and egging on, why did they feel the need to film the consent video?

"Man, 5 or 9 of us just saw this girl going wild. We should get a video of her telling us it's ok"
 

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"Man, 5 or 9 of us just saw this girl going wild. We should get a video of her telling us it's ok"
Imagine thinking anybody, regardless of sex, is above bearing false witness. My gut tells me she is but I'm at least willing to wait for the trial to conclude before committing my opinion one way or the other.
 
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Imagine thinking anybody, regardless of sex, is above bearing false witness. My gut tells me she is but I'm at least willing to wait for the trial to conclude before committing my opinion one way or the other.
The hockey player's credibility keeps getting tanked:

On June 26, 2018, Dubé sends a message saying, “There are no criminal charges it’s hockey Canada code of conduct and they are investigating on what happened that might (sic) so it won’t happen again.”

Bean asks, “Could we get in trouble for it or no?” and Dubé responds, “I don’t think so.” McLeod says, “We all need to say the same thing if we get interviewed can’t have different stories or make anything up.”

Steenbergen says he didn’t see many of these messages until later because he was at a development camp in Arizona for players who’d just been drafted to NHL teams.
 

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The hockey player's credibility keeps getting tanked:
And yet some how their accuser's credibility doesn't tank in the eyes of some when you have eye witnesses say the following:

“I hear someone say, ‘Guys, there’s a naked girl in the bathroom,'” said former team member Tyler Steenbergen, who began his testimony Wednesday at the trial of five former teammates charged with sexual assault stemming from what happened in McLeod’s room in the early morning hours of June 19, 2018.

“I was kind of shocked,” he said. “And then she shortly after came out.”

The woman was “unclothed,” he said. There was a bed sheet on the floor between the beds and the woman placed herself on top of it.

“She went on the floor and started masturbating and then asked guys to come over and have sex with her,” he said.

Assistant Crown attorney Heather Donkers asked Steenbergen exactly what the woman said. “She said, ‘Can one of you guys come over and f— me.'”



The "male feminists" of TERB will whinge long and loud about how this doesn't amount to consent because muh alcohol 🙄

Still a lot more information to come out of this but saying that the crown has a solid case at this point is putting the cart before the horse
 
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I'll admit she may have, but again: Was she in a position to offer concent. That includes intoxication and coersion/power differentail. That's not a value judgement on my part, that's the law.

Second: Steenburgen's texts show a clear coverup, including:

McLeod replies, “Yeah what should I say if they asked why I took the videos tho,” referring to the consent videos taken at the end of the night.

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In the first call, Dubé told him he’d gotten a call from Bullock, the Hockey Canada executive, to tell him there’d be an investigation. Dubé told Steenbergen to “just say what you saw” and to not mention what he saw Dubé do, and that Dubé would explain that himself.

The phone call with Foote was “pretty much the same,” Steenbergen said. “Don’t say what he did, that he would go in and explain it himself.”

Steenbergen says he understood that to mean he wasn’t to mention he saw Dubé slapping the woman’s butt or saw Foote do the splits.

(Steenbergen says he was a little confused because he didn’t actually see Foote do the splits, so he was confused about why Foote called him).

Steenbergen says that when he went to speak to the investigators hired by Hockey Canada, he decided he’d tell them what he saw if specifically asked, but wouldn’t volunteer the information.


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I'm revising my take:

She was not in a state to be able to offer consent, as defined by Canadian Law. Im guessing she was roofied, but that'll never be proven.

She _may_ have been asking them to fuck her.

By the law, those guys need to know that she wasn't in a state to be able to offer consent.

SO: It may be more unfortunate circumstances than anything else, but the way the law is written and interpereted, you are absolutely rolling the dice bringing a girl home from the bar.

And don't forget: Hockey Canada settled for A LOT, so there's got to be enough inconsistencies in the evidence that they thought there was a reasonable chance of conviction.
 
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