Remembrance: Being Remember

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I was cruising around another site that is fun to visit http://www.myfreecams.com/ when I had one of those moments that made you appreciate the sacrifices of our parents and their parents during WW2.
One of the common questions in the rooms is "where are you from..." When I indicated in one room I was visiting that I was from Canada...one of the other men visiting the room immediately chatted in..."Canada? Thank you for your country's help during the war against the Germans...we remember you and appreciate you. Thank you"
This was a total surprise on a site where we gather to drool over naked women masturbating!
Several years ago I happened to be in Amsterdam on the Dutch liberation day in May...I was in the Dam Square when the Queen, and Prime Minister arrived to lay wreaths...when people around me in the crowd found out that I was Canadian I got much the same response...and gratitude...even from young people not even born during the war. The gratitude of the Dutch is sincere and touching.
As the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month approaches...it is incidents like these that make the remembrance special.
Just thought I would share.
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The Canadian army, in both World Wars, shed a great deal of blood in Belgium and the Netherlands. It was instrumental in the bloody siege at Antwerp. "In Flanders Fields," the poem known to many around the world, was written by Dr. John McCrae especially for those who fell during the First World War.

Let's have respect for those who fell and thank those who are still grateful almost seven decades later.
 

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Hopefully everyone here knows that the beautiful beds of tulips every spring in Ottawa are a "thank you for liberating us" gift from the Netherlands.
 

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My grandfather said the Canadians were owed a debt that could never be paid by the people France. He was not as impressed by the Americans. lol
 

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While I have only good things to say about the canadian effort in WWII, I am not so sure about their efforts in WWI, which comes to mind when the 11,11,11 is invoked. In that war, the canadians were diligently trying to kill both my grandparents (and by implication also myself). It should be said that my grandparents despised the germnans but were drafted against their will.
 

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While I have only good things to say about the canadian effort in WWII, I am not so sure about their efforts in WWI, which comes to mind when the 11,11,11 is invoked. In that war, the canadians were diligently trying to kill both my grandparents (and by implication also myself). It should be said that my grandparents despised the germnans but were drafted against their will.
My grandfather hated the Germans. Well the Nazis at least. He said they were wine and cognac thieves. His most extreme condemnation.
 

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My grandfather hated the Germans. Well the Nazis at least. He said they were wine and cognac thieves. His most extreme condemnation.
My mother told me that German soldiers would come around and expect to get food, chickens, wine, etc. They always asked about the whereabouts of my grandfather, who they could recruit into the Italian Army at the time, but he would always go hide in a secret place when they saw them coming. As a young girl, my mom would hide within or behind an olive tree when she heard German warplanes fly overhead who liked to strafe if they saw anyone or anything moving.

However, Remembrance Day or similar memorial days are for all soldiers, both friend and then-foe alike. Combatants who were once rivals would embrace one another on former battle grounds and fronts.
 

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Hopefully everyone here knows that the beautiful beds of tulips every spring in Ottawa are a "thank you for liberating us" gift from the Netherlands.
Just so long as we don't get carried away and start thinking that we ourselves can take any of the credit.
 

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Was reminded of this amazing factoid about Canadian history. These men lived on the same block on the same Winnipeg street, Pine St, now called Valour Rd.


WORLD WAR I was known as The Great War, a name that referred to its international scale, its massive mobilization of men, munitions and supplies, and its terrible toll on human life. Some say that the young country of Canada came of age in this war. Canadians won glory in the Royal Flying Corps, where Billy Bishop and Raymond Collishaw survived long enough to become aces of the air, and Roy Brown downed the Red Baron. However, it was also in the gruesome war of the trenches that Canadians demonstrated their endurance and courage.

Canadians fought and died in battles at Ypres, Mount Sorrel, Beaumont Hamel, Courcelette, Vimy Ridge, Passchendaele, and Amiens. Sixty-nine Canadian soldiers earned the Victoria Cross in World War I, and by some strange coincidence, three of them lived on the same street -- Pine Street in Winnipeg, which was later renamed Valour Road in their honour.

CORPORAL LEO CLARKE won his V.C. in the trenches during the battle of the Somme. Clarke had found himself alone, under attack by 20 enemy soldiers. Instead of surrendering, Clarke attacked, emptying his revolver twice and then firing a German rifle he picked up from the ground. In the struggle that followed, a German officer bayonetted him in the knee before Clarke could shoot him. Wounded and bleeding, Clarke kept up the attack, and as enemy soldiers fled Clarke followed, killing four more and taking a prisoner. Though he was ordered to hospital, Clarke returned to battle the next day. Leo Clarke died in action a month later.

SERGEANT-MAJOR FREDERICK WILLIAM HALL was awarded the V.C. for giving his life to save a comrade at the battle of Ypres. With his company pinned down in the trenches by fierce enemy fire, Hall had gone out twice under cover of night to rescue injured men. On the morning of February 21, 1915, men in the trench heard the groans of an injured soldier on the battlefield. Hall and two others volunteered to go after him, but as they went over the top they drew heavy fire. The two other men were injured, and all were forced back to their trench. After a few minutes, Hall went out alone in broad daylight, with enemy guns waiting for him. He crawled out and across the field under a hail of bullets. Reaching for the fallen soldier, Hall managed to squirm himself under the wounded man and begin moving him on his back toward his lines. However, when Hall raised his head to find his way back to the trench, he caught a bullet in the head and died instantly.

At the battle of Passchendaele, LIEUTENANT ROBERT SHANKLAND led his men to a forward position which they held during a fierce counter-attack. Knowing that an accurate description of his company's position was critical to the Allied battle plan, Shankland made his way alone through the battlefield to Battalion Headquarters, delivered the necessary information, and returned the way he had come. Rejoining his men, Shankland carried on until the end of the battle. The citation of his Victoria Cross commends his personal courage, gallantry and skill, and emphasizes the example he set for the men under his command. Of the three Victoria Cross recipients from Valour Road, only Shankland survived the war.

The individual heroism of men like Clarke, Hall and Shankland is set against the background of the misery and horror of war. Canadians have rarely glorified their involvement in conflict; it is more characteristic of us to see the action of our soldiers in the Great War as the unavoidable and accepted duty of courageous men in the face of global tragedy. More than 50,000 young Canadians died in World War I. When it was over, the survivors returned home as older, sadder men, whose common hope was that there would never be another war like it again.


https://www.historica-dominion.ca/content/heritage-minutes/valour-road

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/11/05/boys-of-valour-road-honoured

OTTAWA - Doug Cargo never met his great uncle Freddy, but the story of his b**********y during the First World War was among the first he remembers hearing as a boy.
To other soldiers uncle Freddy was known as Company Sgt. Maj. Frederick William Hall, who hailed from Winnipeg. He died April 24, 1915, while attempting to save a wounded compatriot during the Second Battle of Ypres in Belgium.
Laying low in the trenches under darkness, Hall heard wounded soldiers nearby and brought two of them back to safety.
He was killed attempting to rescue a third, shot in the head by enemy fire.
Hall's actions that day earned him the Victoria Cross, the highest military decoration awarded for valour "in the face of the enemy."
And on Monday - the first day of Remembrance Week - Heritage Minister James Moore unveiled a new display at the Canadian War Museum containing Hall's medal and those of two others who grew up on the same Winnipeg street - Lieut. Robert Shankland and Cpl. Lionel Clarke.
"Their stories are public stories," Moore told QMI Agency. "They need to be told."
It isn't known whether the three men knew each other prior to the war, but in 1923 Pine Street was renamed Valour Road in their honour. They have since then been referred to as the Boys of Valour Road.
"The medal always meant a great deal to our family," Cargo said. "Uncle Freddy's story was one of the first I ever heard and I think it's appropriate to pass it to the museum and give it a proper home."
The Victoria Cross medals are now part of a permanent collection and the exhibit will tour Canada over the next few years.
 

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Just so long as we don't get carried away and start thinking that we ourselves can take any of the credit.
A "national debt" is utterly different than some sort of personal credit, and even then a "national debt" is a pecular sort of thing that should never be taken for granted nor is it "owed".
 

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While I have only good things to say about the canadian effort in WWII, I am not so sure about their efforts in WWI, which comes to mind when the 11,11,11 is invoked. In that war, the canadians were diligently trying to kill both my grandparents (and by implication also myself). It should be said that my grandparents despised the germnans but were drafted against their will.
There was a standing order in the later years of the WW1 in the German High Command, fight where the Canadian units 'aren't'. That kind of tells a story.
 

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My grandfather said the Canadians were owed a debt that could never be paid by the people France. He was not as impressed by the Americans. lol
Currious, every single one of the Allied Armies did the lifting it could.

However, it is just plain a fact that most of the liberating in France was done by the U.S. in the same way that in Italy most on the mainland was done by the British, Dominion and Imperial troops, or that in the Netherlands most of it was done by the Canadian Army.
 

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Hopefully everyone here knows that the beautiful beds of tulips every spring in Ottawa are a "thank you for liberating us" gift from the Netherlands.
an initial donation from the Dutch Royal Family of 100,000 bulbs and an annual donation of at least 10,000 has given rise to the world largest tulip festival. Having seen the tulip fields in Holland stretch horizon to horizon to horizon, often in one colour, it's obviously an emphasis on the word 'festival'. I have no idea how many blooms come to life in Ottawa these years, but it is impressive. I've heard there are plots of over a million in areas
 

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dont forget those that fought in korea, viet nam, iraq and afghanistan
 

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Blackrock13, your post #9 isn't really a factoid because it's true.

According to the other meaning of factoid being a true fact but insignificant or valueless in meaning, it may be so but considering this historical factlet, it shouldn't be regarded as insignificant.
 

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Blackrock13, your post #9 isn't really a factoid because it's true.

According to the other meaning of factoid being a true fact but insignificant or valueless in meaning, it may be so but considering this historical factlet, it shouldn't be regarded as insignificant.
You are correct, my bad.
 

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We did have ~12,000 Canadians fight in VN conflict, but in American units.
Yup. There were Canadians that fought in the Viet Nam War. God knows why but many felt it was the right thing to do based on the PR coming out of Washington.
 
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