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Regime-Change ? Yes !!

onthebottom

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How about

that single party system headed by a frog.

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papasmerf

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Ok So you elimate the "french" from Canadian ploitics, by getting everyone else to vote. Remind them that the British colinized Canada not France
While france wanted to they, are you ready for this, lost. So inreality there are only Britsh Canadians.
 

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PS;

I'm not sure what your post has to do with this thread; but, in any event, it is completely wrong. I suggest you go back and read your Canadian history a little closer.
 

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sorely said:
PS;

I'm not sure what your post has to do with this thread; but, in any event, it is completely wrong. I suggest you go back and read your Canadian history a little closer.
As I am across the LAKE and have seen and studied Canada as a foreign country I know full well that it was under British Rule, most recently.

But I would welcome facts that would show parts were actually under french rule untill Canada was granted self rule, by the Britts.
 

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PS;

You were talking about those responsible for colonizing Canada.

Who do you believe colonized the maritimes, Quebec, Ontario and much of the West for the 200 years before 1759 , and also for another 50-70 years after the occupation by the British army.The first real British settlers were the Loyalists whose lands were expropriated by the rebels south of the border ( a la Castro). British colonization occurred over a relatively short period of say 100-150 years after the major ground work was completed by the French settlers.
 

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sorely said:
PS;

You were talking about those responsible for colonizing Canada.

Who do you believe colonized the maritimes, Quebec, Ontario and much of the West for the 200 years before 1759 , and also for another 50-70 years after the occupation by the British army.The first real British settlers were the Loyalists whose lands were expropriated by the rebels south of the border ( a la Castro). British colonization occurred over a relatively short period of say 100-150 years after the major ground work was completed by the French settlers.
No actually you are validating your point with this. I am talking about Canada was an OFFICIAL holing of Great Britin. NOT france.

Your Arguement holds the same validity as my claiming that those in Minnisota are Sweedes and not americans, based on the settlements. Those born in CANADA are CANADIAN not frence. Some may have claim to British rites. As they may have been born in Canada while still held by Great Britin.
 

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I'm not quite sure , but I think i agree with you now.

French Canadians are certainly Canadians, just as I am; eventhough my roots go back to Scotland. We all appreciate and cherish ( and are influenced) by our heritage, Canadians are not as outwardly nationalistic as Americans and the Canadian mosaic helps differentiate the peoples of these two nations. Americans also tend to come from different backgrounds .
 

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Sorely,

I wholeheartedly agree that a persons ethnic background is important to them and their families. BUT to allow ones roots to become their identy is a divisional tactic. In Canada it is the french canadians that has tried to devied a country. In the USA is it the africain americans that have tried to devied the country.

First and FOREMOST we are Canadians or Americans. Then and only then are our roots important; when considering what is good for the country as a whole.

Divisional thinking has caused many problems and will cause many more.

I personally believe in a strong PERSONAL identity based on your familes and ansestors. America is a melting pot of people and that is what gives us our collective self. Diversity is good, divison is bad for a people as a whole. We need to begin seeing the furtue from a good for the whole prospective.

A United Country is a srtong counrty.

But a Country divided is doomed.
 
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First and foremost we are human beings. Our priorities should be first to ourselves; then to our families; then to our friends ; and, somewhere down the line maybe our country. Patriotism is a dangerous characteristic of nationalism which generally leads to elitism and WAR.

I love my country (small "c") because that is where I was born and I really enjoy the physical attributes of the land. Our political system is OK because it allows me to enjoy the land and it also provides a population that is diverse, interesting and not caught up in all this nationalistic bull shit.

The french canadians are not french and do not consider themselves french. They have different aspirations ; have a unique culture; and wish to preserve their unique-ness. I for one ,appreciate the differences , but believe that Canada is the best vehicle to protect their rights.

On their own , they would be swallowed up. Just look what has happened to the Cajuns Louisiana.
 

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I do agree that diversity in culture is a great thing.

I do not argee that pariotism leads to wars. and I do think that in a democracy we elect the leaders ( sometimes our choice(s) loose). And we should back our leaders and so our disagreements with our vote. We can talk to most of our political leaders and give input before votes. That is not to say the political system is free from coruption. Hell it breeds it in many cases. But there again we have the power to vote.

A power many in this world do not have.
 

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You should only follow a leader in whose actions you believe. As well, I can't think of many nationalistic countries, if any, that haven't caused significant armed conflict.
 

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I can't agree with you on this.

I think you can be proud of your country, its people and their acomplishments, without being warlike.
 
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