References for Screening New Clients

[oiseau]

Hello all,

Some independent SPs require that potential new clients provide references for screening purposes. I totally understand this and in this day and age it makes perfect sense. Here is a problem I recently encountered in trying to procure a reference for an SP I am interested in seeing:

An SP who worked for a reputable incall agency was visited by yours truly several times in the past. I contacted the agency and the booking agent, after some confusion over what I was requesting, finally understood and looked up my booking history. No problem, I was told. I got the booker's name and was told to forward it to the independent SP so that this positive reference information could be shared when the booker was contacted by the independent SP.

Now here's the problem: some SPs request that both the agency AND the SP provide a character reference. However, what if the SP moves on to a new agency? I contacted the new agency where the above-mentioned SP currently works by text and informed the contact there of my reference request. This individual was not sympathetic to my cause. I repeatedly told this person that I knew the SP and had seen her several times when she worked at another agency and that I needed a reference from her. She would know who I was. I was told that I was annoying and that I should stop asking about a description of said SP and to go to the website to find out more about her. I reiterated my request and then I was told to call. I did call, but I kept going into voice mail. Unless I bypass the gatekeeper, there is no way that I will be able to contact the SP. I really don't want to speak to this SP, but I'd like a message to be forwarded to her so that she can vouch for me when the independent SP contacts her. It seems that some establishments care only about getting bookings and not to help someone in my situation.

Has anyone been in this situation before? How did you handle it? Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can do? I have seen several SPs only once and they wouldn't be able to give me as good a reference as those whom I've seen several times but, alas, have retired and can't be contacted anymore. MPAs aren't really my thing but I have seen a few here and there but generally I am not a repeat customer.

Many thanks,
oiseau

 

[squeezer]

I can understand an agency you have never booked with not co-operating for a reference. I can also understand a busy agency where the booker is managing many many bookings not having time worrying about a reference for an independant. They are hired to book and responisible to the ladies within their rosters in my opinon. Now in a case where you are a regular with an agency I can see them making an exception and helping a regular loyal client out.

 

[oiseau]

I can understand an agency you have never booked with not co-operating for a reference. I can also understand a busy agency where the booker is managing many many bookings not having time worrying about a reference for an independant. They are hired to book and responisible to the ladies within their rosters in my opinon. Now in a case where you are a regular with an agency I can see them making an exception and helping a regular loyal client out.

Then I guess I'd have to speak to management. You're right about the booker being busy. Having been in a customer service role myself, the courteous thing to do is to suggest speaking to the manager.

My next question is for the independent SPs here at the board who request references: What is my next course of action? Would it be prudent to provide the independent SP with information about myself and then she in turn can contact the reference SP and share this information with her and gauge the reaction, either positive or negative?

 

[NiceToMeetYou]

It's best to go back to other agencies where they don't bother much about the references. I'm sure you can find other very beautiful and stellar ladies as much as in the particular independent lady whom you are trying to book with.

 

[brualex33]

In this case you can’t even see the website without references....wow.
http://meetsarahthompson.com/

 

[Frontstreet]

There are lots of threads on this topic on this board...Generally speaking Indys will only accept refrences from other established Indys; it’s their right to do so. I didn’t realize you could use an agency as reference (I have never tried). I can appreciate the hesitation by the agency to provide direct contact with an SP by phone; I can’t see them ever doing this to support your hobbying efforts elsewhere. If I were you I would just move on as there are many agencies and some Indys who don’t ask for refrences.

 

[Mr Deeds]

Imho, requiring references is a very good idea however if an SP wants you to jumps threw hoops just for a chance to see her then I suggest you look elsewhere.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

I will chime in here since I accept agency references.

I ask for both the girl and the booker.

Girl - can tell me about the client - clean, respectful, etc

Booker - can tell me about Client - on time, doesn't cancel, etc

The reason for two is because each tell me something different. Where as an Indy can tell me all of it.

A lot of agencies give references. If it is via management however, they can usually only tell you if the client as NOT on their BCL because they have such high volume and don't keep records. Bookers however, usually know more. Especially FT bookers. You of course have to be a bit of a regular.

To by pass the SP of the agency and their contact info - give the Indy's info to be passed to the girl and the girl can directly contact the Indy.

As for the topic in general - if you are polite, respectful and only ask once - there is no harm in asking for alternatives . Most SPs, that I know, have alternative methods. Some work for the client, some do not. But usually an alternative is there. Please note, alternative usually mean more identifying screening.

If an alternative is not available, seeing an Indy with less screening who does offer references is another way to go. I know seeing a lady before seeing another lady is silly to some but having had clients do it, most are happy because they have met two wonderful ladies instead of one.

If all of that fails, move on. As others have said, sometimes it is just not meant to be. As much as it sucks. It is just sometimes the better option.

However, having said ALL that - sometimes all that leg work is really worth it. And the fact that you, respectful here, trying hard just to make sure another is feeling safe and comfortable is a sign of the type of man you are so I can really see you being rewarded for your efforts!

 

[rhuarc29]

I really don't want to speak to this SP, but I'd like a message to be forwarded to her so that she can vouch for me when the independent SP contacts her.

Er, why do you not want to speak to the SP?

The problem I have with references is that as more and more indies require them, and more and more restrict them to other indy references, it becomes harder and harder to break into that circle of trust. Your selection of indies that don't require references to see, but can provide references to others that do, is shrinking. I have never booked an indy, but am at the point where I'm very interested. I'm finding I'm running into that reference requirement a frustrating amount of times for a first-timer.

 

[oil&gas]

Isn't that those indies who require references from first
clients demand the references to be provided by reputable
indies? How do you find a reputable independent who doesn't
require a reference?

 

[Fun For All]

Imho, requiring references is a very good idea however if an SP wants you to jumps threw hoops just for a chance to see her then I suggest you look elsewhere.

I would agree...lots of SPs out there, good ones too!

 

[kherg007]

I dont mind had to do that once...made sure to contact some regs first for permission to list them as a reference, then let them know who might be inquiring. I like a lady who cares about who she sees. Remember lads, you may know you're a decent, respectful, clean bloke but she doesn't know you from Joe Bloggs...the more assurances she can get, the more fun for you!

 

[oil&gas]

I like a lady who is concerned about her security over
seeing a first-time client but doesn't expect her peers
who willingly provide her assurance of good character
of the client to share the same concern.

 

[oiseau]

Er, why do you not want to speak to the SP?

The problem I have with references is that as more and more indies require them, and more and more restrict them to other indy references, it becomes harder and harder to break into that circle of trust. Your selection of indies that don't require references to see, but can provide references to others that do, is shrinking. I have never booked an indy, but am at the point where I'm very interested. I'm finding I'm running into that reference requirement a frustrating amount of times for a first-timer.

In a perfect world, of course I'd like to speak to the SP. Certain things that were discussed/experienced that were unique in our encounter would allow her to remember me and share recollections of the good companionship that took place with the independent SP who is requesting the reference. However, one must realize that the majority of agencies handle all the administration duties, and that is a major reason why many SPs prefer to work for an agency. It frees them from these tasks and allows them to concentrate on hosting clients and providing good service. That being said, why would I have to speak to the SP? If I need a reference, and the SP is still working at the same agency, all I would have to do is pass on the request to management. Management would alert the SP that a past client would like a reference, and that the independent SP will call on a specified day. The call would be put through to the SP at a convenient time, possibly before or after a shift. The SP would feel safe and not be concerned about a past client trying to speak to her directly, thinking that he might be stalking her. Now, if the SP has moved on to a new agency, one can easily see how things can get complicated in trying to obtain a reference from her. If there have been no recent bookings with the new agency, there is little or no incentive on the part of this agency to help in the procurement of the reference. I'm sure that it has happened in the past, but the old agency will be more inclined to provide assistance because of past business.

 

[The "Bone" Ranger]

There are so many wonderful providers that don't need references - why don't you go with one of them? There are lots of great providers at the agencies and they don't need diddly squat!

Hello all,

Some independent SPs require that potential new clients provide references for screening purposes. I totally understand this and in this day and age it makes perfect sense. Here is a problem I recently encountered in trying to procure a reference for an SP I am interested in seeing:

An SP who worked for a reputable incall agency was visited by yours truly several times in the past. I contacted the agency and the booking agent, after some confusion over what I was requesting, finally understood and looked up my booking history. No problem, I was told. I got the booker's name and was told to forward it to the independent SP so that this positive reference information could be shared when the booker was contacted by the independent SP.

Now here's the problem: some SPs request that both the agency AND the SP provide a character reference. However, what if the SP moves on to a new agency? I contacted the new agency where the above-mentioned SP currently works by text and informed the contact there of my reference request. This individual was not sympathetic to my cause. I repeatedly told this person that I knew the SP and had seen her several times when she worked at another agency and that I needed a reference from her. She would know who I was. I was told that I was annoying and that I should stop asking about a description of said SP and to go to the website to find out more about her. I reiterated my request and then I was told to call. I did call, but I kept going into voice mail. Unless I bypass the gatekeeper, there is no way that I will be able to contact the SP. I really don't want to speak to this SP, but I'd like a message to be forwarded to her so that she can vouch for me when the independent SP contacts her. It seems that some establishments care only about getting bookings and not to help someone in my situation.

Has anyone been in this situation before? How did you handle it? Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can do? I have seen several SPs only once and they wouldn't be able to give me as good a reference as those whom I've seen several times but, alas, have retired and can't be contacted anymore. MPAs aren't really my thing but I have seen a few here and there but generally I am not a repeat customer.

Many thanks,
oiseau

 

[NotADcotor]

There are so many wonderful providers that don't need references - why don't you go with one of them? There are lots of great providers at the agencies and they don't need diddly squat!

Pretty much.

Also it takes some pretty big ovaries to ask an agency to provide you with free security work and pretty big balls to ask an agency to help you get an appointment with the competition [unless you have a very good track record of doing business with said agency]

While I am at it, it also takes some rather big ovaries to ask an indy who doesn't require references to do your security work for you for free. So she can risk the "danger" of seeing unscreened people when you are not willing to. Any indy who says that is basically saying their life is more important then the girl's she is expecting help from.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Pretty much.

Also it takes some pretty big ovaries to ask an agency to provide you with free security work and pretty big balls to ask an agency to help you get an appointment with the competition [unless you have a very good track record of doing business with said agency]

While I am at it, it also takes some rather big ovaries to ask an indy who doesn't require references to do your security work for you for free. So she can risk the "danger" of seeing unscreened people when you are not willing to. Any indy who says that is basically saying their life is more important then the girl's she is expecting help from.

Proudly wearing my ovary badge of over here!!!

We provide references to each other all time as indies. We are not helping the other to get an appointment. That is the lamest bunch of BS I've heard regarding references.

Free security work????? Wtf? Are you smoking cause I could use some. If an SP has less screening, that is their choice. I would encourage all to raise their screening but to each their own. I would gladly give references and assistance on how to screen better.

Your ignorance of the way things work is clearly showing but whatevs - you are entitled to your own opinion.

Again - wearing my big ovaries proudly! Thanks.

 

[squeezer]

Proudly wearing my ovary badge of over here!!!

We provide references to each other all time as indies. We are not helping the other to get an appointment. That is the lamest bunch of BS I've heard regarding references.

Free security work????? Wtf? Are you smoking cause I could use some. If an SP has less screening, that is their choice. I would encourage all to raise their screening but to each their own. I would gladly give references and assistance on how to screen better.

Your ignorance of the way things work is clearly showing but whatevs - you are entitled to your own opinion.

Again - wearing my big ovaries proudly! Thanks.

References are for me the least intrusive and I could live with on my end but the fact is some indies do not want to give them out, get a little annoyed for even being asked and are just not team players on the your side of the tracks. The excuses I've heard are you've only seen me once, you haven't seen me in ______ months, I can't remember the name, it goes on and on. As within any industry you have team players and you have disrupters.

 

[oil&gas]

Almost none of the MPAs I've seen were happy
to be a team player with their co-workers. Most
of them wanted me to see them exclusively.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

References are for me the least intrusive and I could live with on my end but the fact is some indies do not want to give them out, get a little annoyed for even being asked and are just not team players on the your side of the tracks. The excuses I've heard are you've only seen me once, you haven't seen me in ______ months, I can't remember the name, it goes on and on. As within any industry you have team players and you have disrupters.

Oh I totally agree.

I had a client use a girl in my local area as a reference. When I contacted her, she was agreeable until I gave the clients name. Then dead silence and she bitched at him.

I have never understood calling dibs. We are pros, not wives. We don't get to call dibs. But I will respect a lady who does not want to share info as a reference.

I have on my form a checkbox and I double confirm that the lady is 100% aware and accepting of reference. So I never just ask and check without that confirmation. I learned quickly to make sure the client has already checked with the provider.

However to say I am getting help to get a client or using people for "free security" by asking for references before booking a client is a little fucking over the top.

I do like the SPs who openly say they are not into giving references. That is awesome and I commend them for being upfront about it.

We all have our systems that work for us. I don't have anyone come to my house - civie, mainstream Client or escort Client where I don't know there name, phone number and have met them outside of my house first or gotten a reference. Yes - even with mainstream clients. Being a single woman, I don't take chances. I am doing my own security work by screening and getting those reference. That is me taking my security into my own hands. Not pawning if off for free to someone else simply because I ask for them to speak about a client they have seen and are willing to share info about with all parties consenting to the sharing of said information.

And for the record - I happily give references. I like to share.