Read it........sign it please

[gww]

Money Grab ? don't speed and the don't get your money.

My only problem with this is doing 50 over on the 401 is a LOT different than doing 50 over on a residential street - e.g. 90KM/hr in a 40.. of course one speed hump and you won't do it twice

 

[rgkv]

I don't think the argument here is that speeding is wrong, and if you are doing 50 over the limit you deserve everything you get....I think the point was them taking anything away BEFORE you are convicted..
WHAT IF...just say..some pissed off cop catchs someone doing 20--30 over, guys pisses the cop off, cop charges him with over 50, takes his car away, guy looses his job...everything goes to hell....
Then the guy is found NOT QUILTY......GULP!!!!!......
Now what???

 

[dcbogey]

I don't think the argument here is that speeding is wrong, and if you are doing 50 over the limit you deserve everything you get....I think the point was them taking anything away BEFORE you are convicted..
WHAT IF...just say..some pissed off cop catchs someone doing 20--30 over, guys pisses the cop off, cop charges him with over 50, takes his car away, guy looses his job...everything goes to hell....
Then the guy is found NOT QUILTY......GULP!!!!!......
Now what???

You use the courts to right the wrong.

 

[rgkv]

You use the courts to right the wrong.

"AHHHHHH" forgot about that
Since he has no job now...no money....he can run right out...hire a good {expensive} lawyer....spend years in court...
but he will right the wrong...................

 

[dajodo2]

Driving is a privilege, not a right.

I agree but vehicles are private property. I don't agree the government has a "right" to confiscate citizens private property.

Fines and/or a license suspension is one thing, confiscation of private property by big brother is crossing the line in my opinion. Vehicle ownership is a right, driving it on public streets isn't.

Guily until proven innocent is just fine according to some of you in this thread? Those that agree make me weep. Go move to Iraq if thats how you feel.

I will sign the petition.

 

[rgkv]

I agree but vehicles are private property. I don't agree the government has a "right" to confiscate citizens private property.

Fines and/or a license suspension is one thing, confiscation of private property by big brother is crossing the line in my opinion. Vehicle ownership is a right, driving it on public streets isn't.

Guily until proven innocent is just fine according to some of you in this thread? Those that agree make me weep. Go move to Iraq if thats how you feel.

I will sign the petition.

other than the "move to Iraq" part you were doing good
no need for that.........

 

[Dartman]

R U kidding I would never sign that, we need it , 2 more young people died this weekend. We need laws like that

 

[basketcase]

I don't think the argument here is that speeding is wrong, and if you are doing 50 over the limit you deserve everything you get....I think the point was them taking anything away BEFORE you are convicted..
WHAT IF...just say..some pissed off cop catchs someone doing 20--30 over, guys pisses the cop off, cop charges him with over 50, takes his car away, guy looses his job...everything goes to hell....
Then the guy is found NOT QUILTY......GULP!!!!!......
Now what???

1) If his job is as a driver, he deserves to be fired.

2) The law doesn't say the cops keep the car, it's just impounded for a week. He could take a cab, bike, public transit, or walk to work.

3) If you can't do the time.....If he's so worried about things, don't drive more than 50+.

4) I would rather see the charge being a criminal charge of reckless endangerment; forget the street racing. Add to it that upon being found guilty, the car is seized and it would be fine by me.

 

[rgkv]

1) If his job is as a driver, he deserves to be fired.

2) The law doesn't say the cops keep the car, it's just impounded for a week. He could take a cab, bike, public transit, or walk to work.

3) If you can't do the time.....If he's so worried about things, don't drive more than 50+.

4) I would rather see the charge being a criminal charge of reckless endangerment; forget the street racing. Add to it that upon being found guilty, the car is seized and it would be fine by me.

AGAIN!!!! the argument I believe is the fact they TAKE your car[or whatever} BEFORE you are found quilty.....

 

[dcbogey]

AGAIN!!!! the argument I believe is the fact they TAKE your car[or whatever} BEFORE you are found quilty.....

You mean kind of like they TAKE away your freedom for a while when they arrest you before you are found guilty?

 

[Back Burner]

Speeding is getting a bad rep. All media hype. (until someone dies)

 

[yeet]

I agree but vehicles are private property. I don't agree the government has a "right" to confiscate citizens private property.

It may be a matter of semantics, but you don't understand 'property'. The state is the ultimate owner of all property. The state's laws recognize 'interests' in property, however those interests are always subordinate to the state's ultimate title.

The state's right to seize property is an exercise of this better right to all property. Usually the state is disinterested in 'your' property and allows you to exercise something akin to full ownership. However violate its laws or don't pay its taxes, and the state, having the highest right to all property, can take it back.

The state is most interested in real property, do you think you actually own a piece of land?

Also kind of interested in cars, if you violate its laws or don't pay its taxes. ie. seizing cars from Johns, the state takes back its car, not yours.

Not so much interested in your leather jacket, the state will just let you have full ownership of that.

Midnite rant from a lawyer over.

 

[Thousand]

with clamping down on street racers but...................this legislation has been widley abused by allowing it to be used against people who are not racing, just speeding. You can also use your car for example if turn on a green before the on coming traffic proceeds, etc. They call it a street racing law, but it is not. It has wide uses against everyday occurances. Read the details of the law, it will be abused as it already has been. It is nothing but a money grab.

What are you talking about? You mentioned that the legislation is widely abused. Could you please provide some facts?

As well, it does not matter if the driver is street racing or just speeding. Under both cases, the driver is indeed endangering his own life and most importantly, the lives of others.

 

[Thousand]

I agree that people driving excessive speeds need to lose their car and their license. I think the problem with the law is that the individual gets punished prior to having their day in court. It's worse than guilty until proven innocent. You are just guilty and there's no going back. That's what is wrong and why I support the petition.

Now, let's say you are a cop. You see this driver doing 50km/hr over the speed limit. You stopped the car and gave the driver a ticket. Now, knowing that the driver just drove in an extremely reckless fashion, would you allow the driver to get back behind the wheels with the chance of causing a tragedy?

 

[mmmburritos]

AGAIN!!!! the argument I believe is the fact they TAKE your car[or whatever} BEFORE you are found quilty.....

They don't "take" your car they impound it. It's still yours, you just can't use it.

If I follow your logic then someone should start a petition to ban the towing and impounding of illegally parked vehicles... Just leave the car there until your day in court.

 

[tboy]

I wasn't even going to BOTHER with posting here but some of the dumbass posts FOR this ludicrous petition just drew me in.

I say WHO CARES if the driver is actually racing or not? If they are doing 50 over, then they deserve to lose their car for a week. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it already, but if you're caught DUI then your car is towed if there isn't a sober person to drive it. While they don't take the actual vehicle, they take your licence which is, in effect, the same.

Again, this law is NO different than getting caught doing any number of illegal activities:
1) As stated above, if a cop has evidence indicating you've committed a crime (like robbery) he takes away your freedom by arresting you.
2) If you're committing an armed robbery, he takes away your gun AND your freedom
3) If you are using ANY item/possession in a dangerous manner they confiscate it.

Why should a vehicle be any different?

Anyone who is against this law is just looking for an excuse to speed excessively (which is the key word here). MY advice is? If you don't want to lose your vehicle for a week, DON'T SPEED 50 OVER! DOH is it that hard to understand?

To cite the example of some guy losing his job because he's lost the use of his vehicle for a week. Well, that is utter nonsense. No one will lose their job over this. There are many ways around it. They could hire a car and driver for the week if they MUST be on the road. They could use public transit or a cab. Etc etc etc. The whole point of the law is to make that person well aware that society will not tolerate excessive speeding and for the most part, the only way to get that point across is to hit them where it hurts: the wallet.

 

[red]

i think its ok to go 50 kph over the speed limit, unless they are driving with scissors. then its serious.

 

[lawyerman]

I love speed but I also love life a little more. There are too many idiots out there and I don't want to be a statistic.

Why don't the people that love to drive fast take up race car driving? It is legal provided it is on a track.

Here's a link that might help the speed demons out there.

http://www.trythat.ca/

 

[luv2fress]

The law is politics at its best....don't get sucked in

Red you are funny

Tboy thanks for calling me a dumbass, appreciated.

RGVK & DAJODO2 and a few others thanks for the support and understanding of the issue.

The point is like I said before I am all for a law which has some serious bite in terms of stopping street racing, and STREET RACING was what we were told this law was put into place for. If Fantino & others wanted to make a law about simply speeding 50 over then I would agree but feel it was to severe a penalty for the crime. They didn't, they came with a law telling us how they want to stop street racing, but so for the vast majority of tickets given out are simply for speeding. We also have to keep in mind that speeding comes under the highway traffic act, not CRIMINAL LAW. The law as written gives the police power to make calls based on their opinions on a wide range of traffic issues and use the law to their discretion. This can refer to any and all things you do in a car, not just speed.

Its like trying to blame legal gun owners for gun related crimes. The fact is that less than 1/2% of traffic deaths are related to racing. Fantino has now more than paid for the new gas guzzling helicopter he so badly wanted over and over again. Imagine with all the serious issues in our schools, he puts more people in the air to catch speeders, not racers. Put the same cop in high schools and educate the 16 year olds better on racing and drinking, you would save a lot more lives but it wouldn't make headlines, get votes, or raise money.
Here is 1 paragraph from the law
Police to require surrender of licence, detention of vehicle
(5) Where a police officer believes on reasonable and probable grounds that a person is driving, or has driven, a motor vehicle on a highway in contravention of subsection (1), the officer shall,
(a) request that the person surrender his or her driver's licence; and
(b) detain the motor vehicle that was being driven by the person until it is impounded under clause (7) (b).
Once again if an officer sees 2 people racing, then I am all for this, but how can someone by themselves be called a racer?

What if you lend your car to someone? Now you ar responsible for their actions and loose your personal property for their actions.........Ha ha.


http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/32975

http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_detail.do?locale=en&BillID=1594&isCurrent=false&ParlSessionID=

Get real, its not so simple and stop being brain washed speeding is our problem here. We would save a lot more lives by simply educating people on lane management, drinking and driving, etc etc.........but that would not get votes and would not pay for Fantino's salary.

 

[tboy]

Luv:

I also agree that if you lend your car to someone who is irresponsible and speeds 50 over and your car is impounded then yeah, maybe you should be more careful about who you lend your vehicle to? For that matter, you are not responsible for their actions, you are responsible for your actions. In the example you cited, your actions would be to lend your vehicle to someone who blatantly disobeys the law. The key word here is blatantly. If they just did 20 over? No harm no foul, the driver gets the ticket and the owner is not involved.

To use your gun owner example: if the owner of a handgun lends his gun to a criminal and that criminal shoots a police officer, yes, I feel the gun owner should have some responsibility for the actions taken by the person he provided the weapon to. I say this because if the criminal was legally allowed to own a gun, he would. The gun owner is circumventing the systems put in place to semi-control who gets to own a handgun.

As for the Name they applied to the law. Get over it. Seriously. Who really gives a rat's ass whether they were racing someone else or just doing a speed trial on their vehicle? The effects are the same.

I don't know about you but I was never told that this new (old now) law was brought in to only curb street racing. Yes, the emphasis was on the increase in racing related deaths but if you read any of the news reports you'd have known that it wasn't just racers that they were going after.

Why is it that some people just can't grasp the concept that laws are put into place to stop a certain illegal activity? I mean get over it already. If they brought in a law that states it's illegal to kill someone and they called it "the rubber baby buggy bumper" law WHO THE F CARES????

As for your 1/2% stat (which remains to be proven), what are the stats for speed related deaths? I bet they are a heck of a lot higher than 1/2%. In fact, I think I read somewhere that 60% of highway deaths were directly related to the speed of the vehicles. I would also hazard a guess that speeding not only contributes to highway deaths, but to non-fatal accidents as well. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the faster an object travels, the more energy is released when it meets another object.

I mean really dude, what's your problem? A law was brought into effect that should help stop or at least punish people who CHOOSE to speed excessively. What it's called, why they brought it in, who is getting penalized, if irrelevant!

As long as this law penalizes people who break the law, then I'm behind it 100%.