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Re: Justice Minister

pocahottie

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Re: Justice Minister

If you were going to write a letter to the Justice Minister in light of the decision being announced tomorrow, Joy Smiths initiative....or the general currents affairs of the industry;

What would you say?

and most importantly, does the decision or the announcement play a role in what you would express?
 

TeasePlease

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Huh? Who said that licensing is coming? Wouldn't that be inconsistent with the nordic model? Why license a service that can't have buyers?
 

pocahottie

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Huh? Who said that licensing is coming? Wouldn't that be inconsistent with the nordic model? Why license a service that can't have buyers?
thank you for mentioning the parallel.

The laws were struck down. Which simply means it cannot be criminalized in a sense, but will shift to legislation or some form of regulation.

Areas have licensing as of right now...

And implementing such across the board would be possible.

The nordic model or aspects of it is used in other parts of the world...and the sex trade has carried on, even if in theory it "can't" have buyers, as you stated.

Clearly the one year given is going to provide time to figure out HOW to implement regulation or what form.

if you could have a "opinion" in that process... what would your personal standpoint be?
 

fuji

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Which simply means it cannot be criminalized in a sense, but will shift to legislation or some form of regulation.
Wishful thinking. The decision was, "since it's legal, it can't be made dangerous". They will just make it illegal. Problem solved.

You're forgetting who is in power.
 

lomotil

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Harper achieved a majority without Quebec for a reason. His style of government is shrewd, pragmatic and effective enough to maintain power after the next election barring scandal so he is likely to make prostitution illegal and build more prisons to house pimps and johns, not prostitutes. This will keep Harper's base content. Which party will then attempt to decriminalise prostitution and cannabis as an election platform? Probably Trudeau lite might attempt this ensuring Harper another majority again sans Quebec. As I said before, new and innovative game plans will be developed by the sex trade to circumvent Harper's imminent austerity program against prostitution. Is today's ruling the right decision with the wrong government in power or the converse or any combination or permutation of the above?
 

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I still believe and I think I have learned friends in the GTA who agree, that it is likely that the government will bring in legislation to ban street walking at least in residential neighborhoods (street nuisance), and some type of anti-pimping law the problem of the later may well be does it sweep in agencies and bookers.
 

Aardvark154

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I would be very surprised if the Ministry of Justice has not already prepared draft legislation, it isn't as though they haven't had the time or this is a from far left field surprise.
 

pocahottie

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Wishful thinking. The decision was, "since it's legal, it can't be made dangerous". They will just make it illegal. Problem solved.

You're forgetting who is in power.
Making it illegal or essentially having done that even when it was "legal" presents an interesting take.
 

Aardvark154

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Wishful thinking. . . . They will just make it illegal. Problem solved.

You're forgetting who is in power.
Perhaps you will be proved correct, however, I don't see it that way. I believe even on the Prairies the CPC doesn't see it that way. Yes, some MPs from that part of Canada do, but I don't believe their view is that of the majority of those in that part of the country, and certainly I don't see them as anywhere close to being a majority in the House.
 

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Prostitution was never legal. It was simply not illegal. It has never been acknowledged in statute or legislated.
It was legal in that everything that is not illegal is legal. However, I don't think there is any constitutional reason why the government cannot simply make it illegal.

Many things that used to be legal are now illegal. You used to be able to own a machine gun in Canada, now it's illegal.

Whether they will outlaw it is a political question, not a legal one.
 

pocahottie

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Prostitution was never legal. It was simply not illegal. It has never been acknowledged in statute or legislated.


Come again?​

Prostitution is legal in Canada. There are no laws prohibiting the exchange of sex for money.

While the prohibition of the activities surrounding the sex trade makes it difficult to practice prostitution without breaking any law, the act of exchanging sex for money has never been illegal in Canada, a situation which has created and continues to create confusion and controversy.
 

TeasePlease

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Come again?​

Prostitution is legal in Canada. There are no laws prohibiting the exchange of sex for money.

While the prohibition of the activities surrounding the sex trade makes it difficult to practice prostitution without breaking any law, the act of exchanging sex for money has never been illegal in Canada, a situation which has created and continues to create confusion and controversy.

You your answered your own question. Not illegal is not necessarily the same as being legal.

frankly, the ignorant binary-thinking dolts who have been telling people that it's black and white are doing a great disservice to educating and advancing the cause.
 

MattRoxx

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If you were going to write a letter to the Justice Minister in light of the decision being announced tomorrow, Joy Smiths initiative....or the general currents affairs of the industry;

What would you say?

and most importantly, does the decision or the announcement play a role in what you would express?
Unfortunately, Conservative ideology is to criminalize adult acitivities they deeem "immoral". They can use several excuses such as:
-think of the children
-exploitation / human trafficking
-national security
-harm/benefit to 'society'

There is nothing to tell that asshat and hypocrite Peter MacKay he hasn't already heard or read. All you can do is vote (and campaign) against the Harper government.
It should not concern the federal gov't if I want to smoke cannabis, or if I can come to a deal with a woman and pay her for consensual sex. But they think that not only must the government get involved, these immoral activities which affect no one else, must be made illegal.

When younger, I optimistically believed that as time went by, society would naturally become more progressive. Liquor laws have been loosened. Stores can be open whenever they want now. Gambling is not only legal, it is promoted by the government.
And I also believed that it would follow that cannabis use would be legalized (as 2 Senate studies have argued), and that when people want to fuck, whether it's for love or money is none of the government's business. However as I grow older I see that there continues to be insane (to me) atavistic conservatives who hate to see people enjoying activities that they disapprove and are fighting a War Against Fun. So they make laws against certain ways to have fun, and try to throw as many as possible in jail.

Writing to MacKay is useless. You're better off writing to the NDP justice critic, and the local MP in a not-Conservative party of your choice, and offering them your support (and maybe a little campaign contribution).
 

Magic Hour

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The sex industry is demonic in most people's minds. Talk to 25 people and 24 will wrongly think it is a sleazy cesspool that needs eradication. There is a PR problem with this industry that Teri Bedford, Valerie Scott and a bunch of creepy looking lawyers can't fix by themselves. Easy votes for the real sleazes now in power.
 

HaywoodJabloemy

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... You're better off writing to the NDP justice critic, and the local MP in a not-Conservative party of your choice, and offering them your support (and maybe a little campaign contribution).
I would suggest also contributing to pro-sex worker organizations like Stella, Maggie's, etc., so they can get their views out there to counter all of the phony propaganda trying to portray them as victims.
 
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