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I am considering adding in radiant flooring into my bathroom and kitchen renovations I am doing.

Does radiant flooring increase the value of the home and become a good selling feature?

Anyone have experience or feedback on it?

Thanks...
 
It does increase the value of your home and...

CUPID said:
I am considering adding in radiant flooring into my bathroom and kitchen renovations I am doing.

Does radiant flooring increase the value of the home and become a good selling feature?

Anyone have experience or feedback on it?

Thanks...
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substantially your electric bill if you're use electricity!
 
Floor heating is awesome as many people always complain about cold feet. You may want to consider hot water floor heating:
http://www.wirsbo.ca/
I knew the inventor of this system. It is top of the line.
Don't go cheap on floor heating because it is a bitch to repair.
 
toughb said:
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substantially your electric bill if you're use electricity!
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It does not cost that much to heat as it is not a primary source of heat, you are only heating the tiles.

It will add value to the home, just be sure in the washroom, when you put it in that you go right to the edge of the toilet because when a guy takes a piss first thing in the morning, there is nothing worse that cold toes!!

Do not go with a hydronic system as there are issues with the boiler (maintenance & if it craps out.. you have cold tiles!!)

Electric is the way to go as there is no maintenance

Many new custom homes have it installed
 
CUPID said:
I am considering adding in radiant flooring into my bathroom and kitchen renovations I am doing.

Does radiant flooring increase the value of the home and become a good selling feature?

Anyone have experience or feedback on it?

Thanks...
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From my experience when adding upgrades like radiant or hardwood flooring and such, it always helps by being an added selling feature. It can also sometimes increase the value of the home, but it really depends on what other renovations are done and what the other houses are selling for in your neighborhood.

If your one of the only few houses in the area that have it, then it can become something would than be viewed as being more valuable because no one else in the area has it. But if almost everyone in you area has similar upgrades then it can be sometimes seen as being standard in that area. It might hurt you to not get it done.

My advice is that if your gonna get it make sure you get the best products at the best deal possible. Really shop around so you can get the most possible value. That way you increase your chances of getting the maximum return on your investment. In my past experiences some of the upgrades I have had done have helped sell the house faster but not always increased the value of the home. Sometimes putting too much money or upgrades in a home, and in the wrong area can result in loss potential profit.



Thats just my 2cents




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CUPID said:
I am considering adding in radiant flooring into my bathroom and kitchen renovations I am doing.

Does radiant flooring increase the value of the home and become a good selling feature?

Anyone have experience or feedback on it?

Thanks...
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I've installed radiant floor heating a few times. I love it personally. What's the reason you are doing it? and what's the heat source, gas burner? You'll need a light weight concrete pour on the floor. 1 1/2 inches. I've never used it in a renno however.
 
1) Don't scrimp, taking up a tile floor is a ____*@&#!
2) Depending on the rates Electric radient heat is usually très expensif
3) hot water has versatility - different fuels, solar etc. . .
4) you can never have enough zones
 
Mcluhan said:
You'll need a light weight concrete pour on the floor. 1 1/2 inches. I've never used it in a renno however.
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THat is not true with all electric floor heating systems. There is some that go down on the wood, with a layer of thinset over it (self leveling cement, if the floor is very uneven), then tile on top. It is very simple... no moving parts.. and it is often less energy than a 100W lightbulb to heat the floor in a small room.
 
I was intrigued by the question so I wrote to a successful R/E agent I know and he just got back to me.

As I thought it is an item that might be construed as a value adding item but is like an upgraded roof, water heater, furnace, not real eye candy like hardwood floor, a new kitchen or a new bath. He said something that he found when selling a place with radiant floor heat: He found that some potential buyers were turned off by the system due to it being so unfamiliar as well as being perceived as complicated (with all the zone controls etc). So in that case it was a hindrance, not a benefit.

IMHO there are far better ways to increase the value of a property before spending the funds on a system like this.

BTW: historically speaking you will realize a 100% ROI on new kitchens/baths and hardwood flooring. That is, as long as they are well thought out, installed properly and not Homo Depot crap.
 
If you are going to stay in the home for a few years and enjoy the benefits then put it in, be careful as to who you hire to install.

If you are looking to sell the property within a year or two far better to upgrade the cabinets, counters and fixtures, all the things that a potential buyer can see right away.
 
Meister said:
Floor heating is awesome as many people always complain about cold feet. You may want to consider hot water floor heating:
http://www.wirsbo.ca/
I knew the inventor of this system. It is top of the line.
Don't go cheap on floor heating because it is a bitch to repair.
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Thx for the info. I'm waiting for tax or Enbridge incentive. It's been popular in Europe for decades, my Dutch ex-boss was so pissed with limited offerings here.
 
Papi Chulo said:
THat is not true with all electric floor heating systems. There is some that go down on the wood, with a layer of thinset over it (self leveling cement, if the floor is very uneven), then tile on top. It is very simple... no moving parts.. and it is often less energy than a 100W lightbulb to heat the floor in a small room.
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Yep, that makes sense. Although I have no clue about the energy cost. I guess that means we are losing a lot of heat thru those incandescent bulbs eh. I never actually thought about that. Its time to start thinking though.
 
While I agree that an incandesent bulb is a tremendous waste of energy and they do produce a lot of heat I would like to see proof that the kilowatt hour consumption of ANY radiant heating system is less than a 100 watt lightbulb.

This proof should show that it produces more BTU's of heat at the furthest point in the system in less time with less energy consumption than the lightbulb. Don't forget that it does use energy to move the heated water from the source to the heating point, plus you will lose heat to the joists etc below the system (which is 100% loss for this system).

I have seen programs that show the install of these systems but they don't replace the existing heating system, they just supplement it. Think of it this way: the air coming out of your furnace is NOT 72 deg. It is quite warmer in order to maintain a comfortable 72 deg in the room. Therefore the heat coming off the floor has to be much higher in order to heat the entire room. So if it is the only heat source in the room arguably it has to be quite hot to heat the room.
 
tboy said:
While I agree that an incandesent bulb is a tremendous waste of energy and they do produce a lot of heat I would like to see proof that the kilowatt hour consumption of ANY radiant heating system is less than a 100 watt lightbulb.

This proof should show that it produces more BTU's of heat at the furthest point in the system in less time with less energy consumption than the lightbulb. Don't forget that it does use energy to move the heated water from the source to the heating point, plus you will lose heat to the joists etc below the system (which is 100% loss for this system).

I have seen programs that show the install of these systems but they don't replace the existing heating system, they just supplement it. Think of it this way: the air coming out of your furnace is NOT 72 deg. It is quite warmer in order to maintain a comfortable 72 deg in the room. Therefore the heat coming off the floor has to be much higher in order to heat the entire room. So if it is the only heat source in the room arguably it has to be quite hot to heat the room.
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well, any systems I have installed have always been a gas fired boiler source, but i think a good one is an airtight wood burner with a water rad reservoir behind it. The water movement btw is via convection, so I'm not sure i get the point on energy loss there.

also, on the joists heating up, yes ok, but wood is an insulator and a poor conductor of heat i think, correct? plus the heat is not really lost is it? I mean it dissipates and affects the ambient room temp in the basement, and then eventually rises...
 
Mcluhan said:
well, any systems I have installed have always been a gas fired boiler source, but i think a good one is an airtight wood burner with a water rad reservoir behind it. The water movement btw is via convection, so I'm not sure i get the point on energy loss there.
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Exactly, one reason Weather channel & Enbridge promted it. As you stated same idea as water rad heating, except now more efficent gas heating.
 
I've installed a product called Easy Heat, it's electric and have had good luck with it. It is very nice on tile floors and can be set at a low temperature just to take the chill off the floor. As for increasing the house value, it is a feature you can list as a selling feature but since you can't see it I don't think it is something that would drastically increase your price. Heating floors with water is more for large areas, 1000 sq. ft. or larger. I would do it, it's very common these days.
 
Mcluhan said:
well, any systems I have installed have always been a gas fired boiler source, but i think a good one is an airtight wood burner with a water rad reservoir behind it. The water movement btw is via convection, so I'm not sure i get the point on energy loss there.

also, on the joists heating up, yes ok, but wood is an insulator and a poor conductor of heat i think, correct? plus the heat is not really lost is it? I mean it dissipates and affects the ambient room temp in the basement, and then eventually rises...
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What I'm trying to say here is that while this system may be a good supplementary system I don't want anyone to get the idea that it is the cat's ass and heating costs will come down 400% or anything. Just remember that electricity (especially in Quebec) is a renewable energy source where gas isn't.

Every heating and cooling system has it's inefficiencies and these systems are no different. I'd say if I was going to spend x amount of dollars on a reno project I'd put money into making the house more weathertight and insulated than spending it on adding another heat source.

The system that is linked above uses a pump to circulate the heated water, so that is wasted energy IMHO. Just like the fan used to circulate heated air in a forced air system uses energy that isn't directly related to heating. For eg: I'd like to see a link to a system that uses convection to circulate water at 110 gpm or even 5 gpm through 5/8" tubing. That's hard to believe.

If you want an efficient cost effective system I'd say install a ground source system where the ONLY energy spent is getting the heated water from the ground to the rooms. There is no cost associated with getting that water to 68 deg.

As for saying it is efficient because a gas company is promoting it is silly. The weather network promotes systems like this because they are paid to. The gas company promotes it because they sell the gas that runs it. Do you think for a minute enbridge wants to sell you LESS gas? LOL not.....
 
CUPID said:
I am considering adding in radiant flooring into my bathroom and kitchen renovations I am doing.

Does radiant flooring increase the value of the home and become a good selling feature?

Anyone have experience or feedback on it?

Thanks...
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Lots of discussion, but I think the real issue is what type of flooring are you putting in your renovated kitchen and bathroom? If it's tile, putting some type of heating system under the tile, just to keep the floors warm, is probably a good idea. This is especially true in the bathroom (normally bare feet). These rooms are generally small so the cost of installing and running a floor heating system shouldn't be too high.

Not so sure the same can be said for the kitchen, unless it's also on the small size. And if neither room will have tile, an in floor heating system just for 2 rooms can't be cost justified.
 
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