What immigration Category do you not require the abiity to communicate in either english or french ?Not in all immigration categories, and you're confusing jurisdictions. The municipal election is a Provincial affair.
What immigration Category do you not require the abiity to communicate in either english or french ?Not in all immigration categories, and you're confusing jurisdictions. The municipal election is a Provincial affair.
The only OFFICIAL languages in Canada (and last I checked Ontario is a part of Canada) are English and French. Call me racist if you like but I find it DISGUSTING when someone lives here and even becomes a citizen here but either will not or can not speak one of our languages.I'm not sure where you checked, but there are FAR more Chinese speakers in Ontario than French speakers, and Ontario has no official language, so I have no idea what you mean by "we speak English and French here", it's false. If we were to declare official languages in Ontario then unless it was English only, some form of Chinese is a more viable candidate for an official language than French is.
French does have special status in a few places in Ontario, bills are published in English and French for example, but French does not have the status of an official language in Ontario. Neither does English, nor Chinese.
The only OFFICIAL languages in Canada (and last I checked Ontario is a part of Canada) are English and French. Call me racist if you like but I find it DISGUSTING when someone lives here and even becomes a citizen here but either will not or can not speak one of our languages.
OK. Racist. You asked for it..The only OFFICIAL languages in Canada (and last I checked Ontario is a part of Canada) are English and French. Call me racist if you like but I find it DISGUSTING when someone lives here and even becomes a citizen here but either will not or can not speak one of our languages.
To respond to the thread tittle, I'll say 'or what' (insert dumb). Racist might be too strong. Q4L's answer is too simple as there are so many exemption that need to be considered, but it's not unreasonable to consider that someone should be expected to gain a working knowledge of either official language in a reasonable timeframe. Sweden for example expects you to do it in 5 years to gain citizenship and if not, I believe, your are refused any further support and it is suggested you go away.OK. Racist. You asked for it..
You also deserved it when you went from expressing a general opinion on policy to using words like "DISGUSTING". You actually earned the label.
Being racist in that context depends on wether or not you consider yourself a member of one of those superior races.I was once called a racist just because I claimed that some races were genetically superior to others. WTF, this whole politically correct thing has just gone too far.
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Why did she never learn english or french ?I had some respectful disagreement with Q4L's position when he was just generally saying he felt that everyone should speak English or French. Someone may speak one of those languages well enough to pass immigration tests, to get a job, and be gainfully employed, but still not as well as they speak their mother tongue, and so still may prefer to take in complex information, like a political debate, in, say, Cantonese.
However I lost my respect for his position when he switched to calling hard working and proud Canadian citizens "disgusting" just because they don't speak English or French fluently.
At the point where he started calling people "disgusting" I start calling him a racist.
I know of one woman who never did learn to speak English at all, never mind fluently. She came to Canada with two young children, and she and her husband had three more on Canadian soil. She worked hard menial jobs, two of them, seven days a week, 16 hours a day, for something like 25 years, and by doing that managed to put all five of her children through University. Is she disgusting? She's a hero in my books. One of her five kids is a friend of mine, and whenever I hear the story of his childhood, and just how fucking hard his parents worked to bring their kids up to a better life in Canada, I'm always impressed. Always. Despite her hard life she was proud to live in a country where her hard menial life could launch her children into a better one. She loved that, she was so proud of this country. And to hear her called disgusting! It makes my blood boil.
I would much rather have ten more like her in this country, and one less like him. She's an excellent role model. He's disgusting. Our country is poorer for his having citizenship here, and stronger and better for having had her.
This is not hard or unusual for immigrant s to Canada, many cultures can live, work, shop, and socialize in their mother tongue because they don't have to do otherwise. When you've got 3 or 4 cultures in the GTA with 500,000+ it quite easy to do this in complete isolation by choice or not.Why did she never learn english or french ?
Unfortunately Fuji there are those who live here all their lives and do not make any effort AT ALL to learn ANY of our languages. These are the ones I have a problem with. The individual person may not be disgusting but their action certainly is. It also shows a HUGE lack of respect for their new 'homeland'. If I moved to a new country and they welcomed me into their 'home' the least I could do is learn their language.I had some respectful disagreement with Q4L's position when he was just generally saying he felt that everyone should speak English or French. Someone may speak one of those languages well enough to pass immigration tests, to get a job, and be gainfully employed, but still not as well as they speak their mother tongue, and so still may prefer to take in complex information, like a political debate, in, say, Cantonese..
Dunno. Maybe too busy working 16 hours a day to support her kids. Maybe too old to learn a new language. Maybe no aptitude for it.Why did she never learn english or french ?
I disagree, and feel that YOUR attitude here is disgusting.The individual person may not be disgusting but their action certainly is. It also shows a HUGE lack of respect for their new 'homeland'.
Is that the law or are you proposing to petition parliament to get working on it? If it's not the law, let it go.... I don't think it's wrong to expect them to learn one of our languages.
That's why I asked, if they tried to learn english but couldn't , that's fine, if they didn't even put in the effort, then that is extremely dissapointing.Dunno. Maybe too busy working 16 hours a day to support her kids. Maybe too old to learn a new language. Maybe no aptitude for it.
The dad learned some basic English, enough to do business--he had a little store and spoke enough broken English to serve English speaking customers if they came in. Not enough to follow a political debate though, just business English. He learned as much English as he could and he STILL would be better served by a Cantonese language political debate.
Can't see any good reason why two hard working proud Canadians like those two should be shut out of the political system. They were both proud of Canada and it seems to me they both earned the right to vote.
Actually it is 'supposed' to be the law. In order to get Canadian citizenship you are (were) required to take a test and say an oath. The test is supposed to be in either English or French - however because of lib bleeding hearts now the test can be taken in other languages. Not sure about the oath.....Is that the law or are you proposing to petition parliament to get working on it? If it's not the law, let it go.
If you allow someone into your home - and you show them respect - then should they not also return that respect?I disagree, and feel that YOUR attitude here is disgusting.