Racism in the spas.

[ExileOnMainSt]

There'll be bigger crowds at the beach today then there was at the march.

yep,,, now that the ice is gone

LMAO Respect. Yup, took the scenic route after vising a hot SP in Hull because I went for a haircut. Only to later learn Ford opened up hairstylists for Friday. LOL!!! Westboro Beach was packed with bikinis. So much so that I took a quick look behind me, nobody there, and slowed right down to 5km/h and enjoyed the views.... eep: What a day, hot and sunny, fresh haircut, bangin' SP and bikinis!!!! :whoo:

 

[galvatron10000]

Meanwhile, lots of SP still dont want "black gentelman"��**

 

[randomott]

Meanwhile, lots of SP still dont want "black gentelman"��**

I bet you some of the men "standing up against racism" in the switter drama threads have seen such ladies.

 

[Amancalledorst]

If an employer wants to fire an employee its their right. If an employee thinks that an employer is ignoring obvious racism, it's their right as Canadians to point it out. Doesn't mean they are guaranteed employment. Doesn't mean the employer isn't willfully ignoring obvious racism within their own establishment.

So if they're gay? What about if they found out you were a sex worker on the side/saw a sex worker?

 

[Amancalledorst]

Right decision. There should be no place for politics in business. You SP/MA online present under their SP/MA name is a part of the business. You want top discuss politics - do it in your personal time and do not associate it with your place of employment.

All the posts about what is going on currently is political. She didn't have the right kind of politics . That's it.

 

[fall]

All the posts about what is going on currently is political. She didn't have the right kind of politics . That's it.

Well, what I meant: no place for politics to interfere with the business. Anyone can say anything about politics, as long as it does not become personal attacks or any demands on politics. One girl may be an open racist liberal, another homophobic conservative, and they can argue about their views as much as they want to as long as it does not become personal or affect the business.

 

[Nesbot]

So if they're gay? What about if they found out you were a sex worker on the side/saw a sex worker?

I don't understand the comparison.

People are free to say what they want. Doesn't mean they are free from the consequences of the statements they make.

 

[Cryptologic]

So Mark Zuckerberg should fire half his management team because they publicly and strongly disagree with his inept handling of the hate, racism narrative of Trump and Co.

one so far https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ted-inaction-trump-posts-200613040215148.html

hate to admit it but it is a cutthroat world out there. people should operate their business in the ways they see fit. if you don't agree don't buy

 

[solo223]

I don't understand the comparison.

People are free to say what they want. Doesn't mean they are free from the consequences of the statements they make.

Well, not the US supreme court just voted 6-3 that you cannot be fired based solely on your sexual orientation. SO LGBTQ can now sue the hell of righteous employers who fire people because their lifestyles go against their beliefs or religion.

 

[Nesbot]

Well, not the US supreme court just voted 6-3 that you cannot be fired based solely on your sexual orientation. SO LGBTQ can now sue the hell of righteous employers who fire people because their lifestyles go against their beliefs or religion.

And I agree with it. Employers can fire whoever they want, whenever they want. Doesn't mean they are free from labour laws. If the violate federal, state/provincial law, then yes, they should get sued to hell.

I'm just having trouble grasping your position.

My position is the SPA owner can do what they want but they are not free from legal responsibility nor are they free from public disdain.Same with employee's. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you are free to say what you want without consequence. It means you can say want you without consequence from government.

But if you violate hate laws, or labour laws, or people get wind of your position and it runs counter to what society believes is right, you get what you get.

 

[fall]

And I agree with it. Employers can fire whoever they want, whenever they want. Doesn't mean they are free from labour laws. If the violate federal, state/provincial law, then yes, they should get sued to hell.

I'm just having trouble grasping your position.

My position is the SPA owner can do what they want but they are not free from legal responsibility nor are they free from public disdain.Same with employee's. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you are free to say what you want without consequence. It means you can say want you without consequence from government.

But if you violate hate laws, or labour laws, or people get wind of your position and it runs counter to what society believes is right, you get what you get.

I am not sure you understand the definition of "free". "Free to do something but face a legal consequence" is not free. If it would be "free", then the murder will be "free" to. Free speech/religion/sexual orientation means you are free to do it and will not face any legal consequence nor be disadvantage in any systematic way: the only thing that can happen is that people will change opinion about you. If you get fired because you expressed your opinion (that does not affect the duties your perform and not disrespectful to your colleagues) - it is no longer free speech.

 

[Nesbot]

I am not sure you understand the definition of "free". "Free to do something but face a legal consequence" is not free. If it would be "free", then the murder will be "free" to. Free speech/religion/sexual orientation means you are free to do it and will not face any legal consequence nor be disadvantage in any systematic way: the only thing that can happen is that people will change opinion about you. If you get fired because you expressed your opinion (that does not affect the duties your perform and not disrespectful to your colleagues) - it is no longer free speech.

I completely understand the meaning of free. And in this country you are subject to hate laws. Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms allows you to speak your mind. But if you violate one of the charters protections, you are subject to the punishment under the law. You are also subject to any punitive damages that an individual has suffered.

I know EXACTLY what freedom means. It means you can say what you want. But you're still subject to Federal and provincial laws and statutes.

So you want to sit in your basement with your friends complaining how much you hate a certain race, not a crime. You commit and act, either overtly or by omission as an employer that is against law and you are subject to penalty.

It's clear cut. There is no room for nuance here.

 

[fall]

I completely understand the meaning of free. And in this country you are subject to hate laws. Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms allows you to speak your mind. But if you violate one of the charters protections, you are subject to the punishment under the law. You are also subject to any punitive damages that an individual has suffered.

I know EXACTLY what freedom means. It means you can say what you want. But you're still subject to Federal and provincial laws and statutes.

So you want to sit in your basement with your friends complaining how much you hate a certain race, not a crime. You commit and act, either overtly or by omission as an employer that is against law and you are subject to penalty.

It's clear cut. There is no room for nuance here.

Yes, I know, Canada is not a free country. U.S. is, probably, the only country in the world that put freedom above all and has truly free speech laws. However, even with limited free speech in Canada, calling someone a n***r or a fu**ing fag is not a hate speech unless you actually ask others to do something harmful to a group of people (e.g., "kill the n***rs"). Nowhere it is said that a person cannot express his homophobic or racist believes in public, so, if it is not prohibited, why it is OK to punish people for expressing their believes? I should be free to go on street and say that, on average, white men are superior to black women and, in a free and low-abiding country, no one should physically assault me and my employer should not use this in any decision making (firing, bonus, promotion), unless I specifically say something about other employees.

 

[downbound123]

Yes, I know, Canada is not a free country. U.S. is, probably, the only country in the world that put freedom above all and has truly free speech laws. However, even with limited free speech in Canada, calling someone a n***r or a fu**ing fag is not a hate speech unless you actually ask others to do something harmful to a group of people (e.g., "kill the n***rs"). Nowhere it is said that a person cannot express his homophobic or racist believes in public, so, if it is not prohibited, why it is OK to punish people for expressing their believes? I should be free to go on street and say that, on average, white men are superior to black women and, in a free and low-abiding country, no one should physically assault me and my employer should not use this in any decision making (firing, bonus, promotion), unless I specifically say something about other employees.

Hatred offences of the Criminal Code

Section 319(1): Publicly inciting hatred[edit]
Section 319(1) makes it an offence to communicate statements in a public place which incite hatred against an identifiable group, where it is likely to lead to a breach of the peace. The Crown prosecutor can proceed either by indictment or by summary process. The maximum penalty is imprisonment of not more than two years. There is no minimum punishment.[15]

Section 319(2): Promoting hatred[edit]
Section 319(2) makes it an offence to wilfully promote hatred against any identifiable group, by making statements (other than in private conversation). The Crown prosecutor can proceed either by indictment or by summary process. The maximum penalty is imprisonment of not more than two years.[15]

 

[gibarian]

Yes, I know, Canada is not a free country. U.S. is, probably, the only country in the world that put freedom above all and has truly free speech laws. However, even with limited free speech in Canada, calling someone a n***r or a fu**ing fag is not a hate speech unless you actually ask others to do something harmful to a group of people (e.g., "kill the n***rs"). Nowhere it is said that a person cannot express his homophobic or racist believes in public, so, if it is not prohibited, why it is OK to punish people for expressing their believes? I should be free to go on street and say that, on average, white men are superior to black women and, in a free and low-abiding country, no one should physically assault me and my employer should not use this in any decision making (firing, bonus, promotion), unless I specifically say something about other employees.

You sound like an edgelord teen entering his first semester of high-school.

Do you advocate for unlimited freedom? Do you think that murder, assault, pedophilia, harassment, etc. are all tolerable things?

 

[fall]

You sound like an edgelord teen entering his first semester of high-school.

Do you advocate for unlimited freedom? Do you think that murder, assault, pedophilia, harassment, etc. are all tolerable things?

No, but advocating for people who is doing it is one of the fundamental rights. If it is against the law, it is against the law. But openly expressing your opinion and believes (and having your beliefs) is a fundamental right. Violence as a response for it is a crime.

 

[Nesbot]

No, but advocating for people who is doing it is one of the fundamental rights. If it is against the law, it is against the law. But openly expressing your opinion and believes (and having your beliefs) is a fundamental right. Violence as a response for it is a crime.

If you commit the crime, you are subject to the consequences of it. So for example, as you say. If you want to say that white men are superior to black women, that is not in and of itself a crime. It only becomes a crime when an act is committed against a particular race, religion, creed, sex/gender orientation. The key is the "act". Not the speech.

So try not to get so hung up on the fact that you can't be racist. You still can. Just don't do something about you being a racist and its all good.