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Question for Perry Mason - Karla Holmolka

Mr. K

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Perry,

Is there any chance the the government can declare Karla Holmolka a "dangerous offender" and keep her in prison after her 12 year sentence is complete?
 

jwmorrice

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Mr. K said:
Perry,

Is there any chance the the government can declare Karla Holmolka a "dangerous offender" and keep her in prison after her 12 year sentence is complete?
The time she's serving is inadequate but c'mon, you can't keep going back to re-sentence people.

jwm
 

Perry Mason

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I think the simple answer is no.

The application should have been made before she was sentenced on the offences for which she is now serving time, or within six moths thereafter if the Crown gave notice of its intention to apply and there is new evidence or evidence unknown at the time sentence was imposed.

And, as red says, although I have no specific knowedge or recollection, I am sure it was covered in the negotiated plea and sentence... I would not dream of negotiating that kind of a deal with the Crown on behalf of a client without covering that base.

Now, if she should reoffend once released and it is a serious matter involving serious personal harm to a new victim, the Crown could make an application before she is sentenced on that new offence.

For better or worse, in this case "a deal is a deal."

To whom do I send my account? :D

Perry
 

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red said:
i think it was part of the deal that they not
...I'm still puzzled why the prosecution needed to make a deal with her. Was there not more than enough evidence incl. the videos to convict them both equally?
 

red

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the tapes were found afterwards - even though the cops took the house apart they didn't find the tapes.
 

jwmorrice

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Paul/IT said:
How so......Convicted of murder but never killed anyone himself.
He was never declared some sort of dangerous offender or kept in prison after his sentence was over. That's what was brought up in the first post and that's what you responded to.

jwm
 

jwmorrice

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Paul/IT said:
Sorry I don't have the link handy but at all of his parole hearings he was considered to be a dangerous offender and denied parole based on that....constantly threatening to kill everyone he spoke with didn't help either. My main point was that he never physically killed anyone himself .
As the article noted, he was sentenced to death for murder but that was commuted to life. Unlike Homolka, his sentence hasn't ended. That was my point. There was no going back in his case.

There's no dispute over the fact that he didn't physically kill anyone himself.

jwm
 

jwmorrice

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Interesting to note that Charlie receives 60,000 pieces of mail a year, much of it from young fans who want to join 'The Family'. I wonder how many are turned on by Homolka and her crimes.

jwm
 

jwmorrice

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Paul/IT said:
http://www.atwa.info/97.htm

In the staes life isn't life, he was denied at his parole hearing because.

"After twenty minutes of deliberating, the Board announced that it would not be setting a parole date because Manson "would pose an unreasonable risk and danger to society and a threat to public safety if released from prison."
Being denied parole is not being re-sentenced.

jwm
 

jwmorrice

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Paul/IT said:
Keeping reading when you have time.
Well, I don't know what that comment means. In any event, I'll stop here. I don't think there's much to be gained by my belabouring my points.

jwm
 

Mr. K

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Thanks for everyone's input

Uh...thanks for all your input guys.

Paul/IT - Unfortunately the Charles Manson case doesn't apply here, because a) it happened in the US, b) he was sentenced to death, then commuted to life. Karla Homolka was sentenced to 12 years, but she has been denied early parole due to her refusal to take any responsibility for what happened and not properly participating in rehabilitation efforts.

Perry - thanks for your read - I wasn't sure if there was some kind of loophole that they might be able to exploit to keep her in jail. Send the bill to Goober.

Personally, I think she'll be lucky to stay alive once she's been released from prison. Someone will probably "take her out" once she's out. I'll be one of the first to propose that person for the Order of Canada!
 

Shades

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I think the interesting question will be the terms of her release. ... if she was on parole, the cops could monitor her, as they do the pedophiles, and arrest tout suite for parole violation.
However, I believe she will just be released having done her time and therefore without conditions.
What a pity.
However, as much as she qualifies as an evil doer (thx to George Bush for the term) I can't support Mr. K's, perhaps tongue in cheek, suggestion of a vigilante solution. We just have to hope that she does something minor and that she gets caught for that and whatever it is, it is not in the league of her previous crimes.
 

jwmorrice

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Paul/IT said:
Does that mean I get a discount if I head up to IT?

jwm

P.S. Have I told you yet that you drive too fast? :p
 
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C Dick

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No doubt Karla has lots of fans. I met a dancer in San Francisco who was a Paul Bernardo fan. She wanted to write to him but did not know the address. I called back to Toronto and had my secretary look it up and got it for her. She was very grateful.
 

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so does it mean I am twisted if I want to bang Karla?
 

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ISOMSOG said:
so does it mean I am twisted if I want to bang Karla?
You know what, I've talked to a lot of guys who want to bang the living crap out of her. But for most it's just a 1 night stand
 
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