Question about traffic ticket

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stinkynuts

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I got a ticket recently for turning right on a red light, when it was not allowed. The cop asked me for my driver's license and vehicle permit, which I did not have on me.

He said that he would give me a break, and told me that he would cite me for not having my license and permit, but that I should bring the documents in to show that I have them. He gave me two tickets for each infraction, but not one for turning right on red. He was unclear on whether I would ever receive a citation for the traffic violation later.

Since I never received a ticket for the illegal turn, does this mean that I will never receive it? He mentioned that he would not give it only if I submitted proof that I have the documents (license/permit).

I want to just mail in the payment for the fines, but am worried that the traffic ticket will also be recorded in my record, and affect my insurance if I do so. Should I go to court and fight the two tickets to prevent this from happening?
 
Dude you should have just taken your driver license and insurance card down to the police station and there is a good chance you would be off free and clear.

You won't get a ticket mailed to you about the illegal turn. You were complaining about your luck. You had good luck (and a nice cop) and you fucked it up. Too bad.
 
stinkynuts said:
He [the Constable] said that he would give me a break, and told me that he would cite me for not having my license and permit, but that I should bring the documents in to show that I have them. He gave me two tickets for each infraction, but not one for turning right on red. He was unclear on whether I would ever receive a citation for the traffic violation later. . .
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Did you ever go and show him your license and permit? I'd start by presuming that he indeed was giving you a break and comply with his request and see what he says.
 
stinkynuts said:
He said that he would give me a break, and told me that he would cite me for not having my license and permit, but that I should bring the documents in to show that I have them. He gave me two tickets for each infraction, but not one for turning right on red.
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Are you saying that you showed up with the information so now you only have 1 ticket per infraction?
That is no break.

I doubt he can give you a retroactive ticket for the improper turn.
That is a big break.

I would fight this and at least try to get 1 of the 2 tickets tossed, especially if you already have any tickets in the past 3 years, and even if you don't.
Try getting some insurance quotes with 2 or 3 tickets and you will see what I mean.
 
Aardvark154 said:
Did you ever go and show him your license and permit? I'd start by presuming that he indeed was giving you a break and comply with his request and see what he says.
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I agree with Aardvark. I don't understand exactly what happened here. Was it a 48 hour report that he gave you for the missing documentation?
 
Malibook said:
Are you saying that you showed up with the information so now you only have 1 ticket per infraction?
That is no break.

I doubt he can give you a retroactive ticket for the improper turn.
That is a big break.

I would fight this and at least try to get 1 of the 2 tickets tossed, especially if you already have any tickets in the past 3 years, and even if you don't.
Try getting some insurance quotes with 2 or 3 tickets and you will see what I mean.
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Nothing retroactive about it. Cop has 30 days to issue the offence notice for the illegal right turn.

And what grounds would you suggest he use to fight the tickets? His documentation was invisible and the cop just couldn't see it?
 
thompo69 said:
Nothing retroactive about it. Cop has 30 days to issue the offence notice for the illegal right turn.

And what grounds would you suggest he use to fight the tickets? His documentation was invisible and the cop just couldn't see it?
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Why would the cop give him 2 tickets for no licence and 2 tickets for no registration and no ticket for the turn?

Is he going to send 2 tickets for the turn in 30 days?

The point of fighting tickets is often not that you expect to win the case before the judge.
It is often just to make a deal with the prosecutor.

In this case, I would say that the cop agreed to drop the charges once I provided the proof that the documents do indeed exist, which presumably was done.
 
Malibook said:
Why would the cop give him 2 tickets for no licence and 2 tickets for no registration and no ticket for the turn?

Is he going to send 2 tickets for the turn in 30 days?

The point of fighting tickets is often not that you expect to win the case before the judge.
It is often just to make a deal with the prosecutor.

In this case, I would say that the cop agreed to drop the charges once I provided the proof that the documents do indeed exist, which presumably was done.
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Well, I think stinkynuts was just unclear. You don't get two tickets for one offence. I believe he meant he got two tickets, one ticket for each infraction.

I believe the cop was saying here are two relatively minor infractions that come with no points. Provide your documents and pay your tickets, and you don't need to worry about the third that does come with points.

As for making deals, if it were a speeding ticket I'd agree with you. However, the prosecutor will be made aware that officer let him off on the illegal turn, and likely won't want to deal for anything, since he already got his deal.
 
Not having your license and registration in the car should not affect your insurance. Best to call your insurance agent or any insurance agent and just ask that as a normal question (without providing your own details).

Good luck .. I don't find a reason to fight the tickets for not having your license and registration. There is not much you could come up with as an excuse for not having your documents on you..

I believe there are no points , so then again no point in fighting those tickets.
Take your documents to the station , or call the court number at the back of your ticket and ask them if you were to pay , would you receive another ticket or not ?
I dont think you will..


All the best stinkynuts
 
SandStorM said:
Not having your license and registration in the car should not affect your insurance. Best to call your insurance agent or any insurance agent and just ask that as a normal question (without providing your own details).

Good luck .. I don't find a reason to fight the tickets for not having your license and registration. There is not much you could come up with as an excuse for not having your documents on you..

I believe there are no points , so then again no point in fighting those tickets.
Take your documents to the station , or call the court number at the back of your ticket and ask them if you were to pay , would you receive another ticket or not ?
I dont think you will..


All the best stinkynuts
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These are considered moving violations, unlike parking tickets.
I found this out the hard way.

When you get quotes for insurance, they ask for the number of tickets, not the number of points.

The MTO cares about the points in determining if you deserve to keep your licence.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/demerit.shtml

Tickets remain for 3 years and points for 2.
 
I don't understand why you weere given 2 tickets for each infraction but take your proof to the station and see if they cancel them.

You could always go to court and see if the officer shows up if he doesn't it gets tossed.

As for the turn illegal turn you got lucky but there is legally a six month window for them to charge you with an offense under the provincial offense act for the date of infraction but seldom would they unless you pissed them off

As for insurance of the fail to surrender don't bother to mention them. Only moving violations or anything involving points increase insurance.
Speeding charges that have been reduced to 15 over will too altho no points are involved
 
Set a court day on the last day possible near the end of the day so your papers are last to be processed.

Hope that the court date is 365 days after the offence date (which the systems are so backed up now in toronto there is a very good chance).

If the court date is over 1 year from the offence, hire a lawyer and tell him you need a 11B. This should cost $150-$200 max and will get rid of all your tickets.

If the date is not over 1 year, show up to court and speak to the crowne about a reduction and show him that you had valid papers at the time and think of an excuse why they were not in your car. Every single time I've been to court I have got a reduction with just asking and having no excuse.

ALWAYS FIGHT EVERY TICKET
YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE
SOMETIMES THE COP DOES NOT SHOW AND YOUR OFF THE HOOK
AND EVEN IF THE COP DOES SHOW 90% OF TIME THEY WILL GIVE YOU A REDUCTION
 
stinkynuts said:
I got a ticket recently for turning right on a red light, when it was not allowed. The cop asked me for my driver's license and vehicle permit, which I did not have on me.

He said that he would give me a break, and told me that he would cite me for not having my license and permit, but that I should bring the documents in to show that I have them. He gave me two tickets for each infraction, but not one for turning right on red. He was unclear on whether I would ever receive a citation for the traffic violation later.

Since I never received a ticket for the illegal turn, does this mean that I will never receive it? He mentioned that he would not give it only if I submitted proof that I have the documents (license/permit).

I want to just mail in the payment for the fines, but am worried that the traffic ticket will also be recorded in my record, and affect my insurance if I do so. Should I go to court and fight the two tickets to prevent this from happening?
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Take the tickets to the address on the back of the ticket (2700 Eglinton, 123 Edward Street or 1530 Markham Street). You have 15 days from the date of offence. It is best if you attend before 10 a.m. but be prepared to wait about 30 minutes to get to the counter to speak to an administrative staff. If you bring the paperwork with you, they will book an appointment so you can speak with a prosecutor that day or make an appointment for another day. The prosecutor will drop the case immediately if you can show you had insurance and licence. It may take another hour to see prosecutor.

You can send an agent (a friend to appear on your behalf) but it is best if you attend. You can also pay a paralegal to do this for you. PM if you want a referal.

Be wary of getting advice on this board. And don't suck up two tickets for no reason when you can easily walk.

The courts are backlogged enough with much more serious offences so do not plead guilty or pay fines for this as they will get dropped. And be grateful was not an ass.

Fernie
 
thompo69 said:
Well, I think stinkynuts was just unclear. You don't get two tickets for one offence. I believe he meant he got two tickets, one ticket for each infraction.

I believe the cop was saying here are two relatively minor infractions that come with no points. Provide your documents and pay your tickets, and you don't need to worry about the third that does come with points.

As for making deals, if it were a speeding ticket I'd agree with you. However, the prosecutor will be made aware that officer let him off on the illegal turn, and likely won't want to deal for anything, since he already got his deal.
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Dude, why are you giving advice if you don't have any expertise in this area? You might as well be telling buddy to bend over.

Fernie
 
hunter001 said:
Dude you should have just taken your driver license and insurance card down to the police station and there is a good chance you would be off free and clear.

You won't get a ticket mailed to you about the illegal turn. You were complaining about your luck. You had good luck (and a nice cop) and you fucked it up. Too bad.
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The cops don't tend to do it this way anymore. The prosecutor tends to just withdraw the tickets if you bring the paperwork when you attend to book a trial date. You have ti attend within 15 days of getting the ticket though.

Fernie
 
I once got a ticket for making the left turn at red light when I wasn't allowed. The cop charged me under the municipal bylaw not the provincial act so i had to pay a much lower fine.

Fernie
 
Just to clarify, I only got one ticket per infraction. He said that if I provided documentation, the traffic ticket would not be processed.

It has been four weeks since I got the ticket. I was told that I could not arrange a court date until after ten days since I got it. That is why I waited, and I got busy with work so I haven't called them yet.
 
You must not drive without carrying the prescribed ID—your drivers license—and in the vehicle must be documents proving it's properly registered and insured. Easiest way to avoid those tickets.
 
stinkynuts said:
Just to clarify, I only got one ticket per infraction. He said that if I provided documentation, the traffic ticket would not be processed.

It has been four weeks since I got the ticket. I was told that I could not arrange a court date until after ten days since I got it. That is why I waited, and I got busy with work so I haven't called them yet.
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The whole point of him giving you a huge break was giving you the chance to toss the 2 tickets simply by showing proof that you have the documents plus he didn't even write you up for the turn.

Why would you be even thinking about a court date at that point?

Now you have to think about a court date.:rolleyes:
 
Dr. Know said:
Look on the bright side. You just fucked yourself and it will cost you the fines. If you had taken the documents to the police station by the next day they would have withdrawn the two tickets and you would have been off the hook.
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Must be nice to have money to throw away.

No worries Stinky, one whiff of your nuts and I'm sure they will toss you and the tickets out.:eek:
 
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