question about ontario smoking law
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While we are talking about smoking, here's one I saw today that'll shock the hell out of most smokers even, I'd bet. 
http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/tobacco/healthcanada.html?path=20070306ipperwash
http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/tobacco/healthcanada.html?path=20070306ipperwash
True we need tougher emmission controls, but the defense "that cars are worse" works for me. On that note how many cylinders are in your car, ever carpool or use public transit, use the car for that quick run to the store that is a block away??? More than likely your just as guilty as the next person.fuji said:
Shocked I should be, but I'm notThe Daulfin said:While we are talking about smoking, here's one I saw today that'll shock the hell out of most smokers even, I'd bet.
http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/tobacco/healthcanada.html?path=20070306ipperwash
I don't own a car. I live downtown and I walk everywhere.Hammerstein said:
Saying that we shouldn't solve the problems we know how to solve just because there are some other problems that may even be worse that we don't know how to solve is silly. I'm all in favour of doing what we can do. We SHOULD eliminate most driving. However, that's going to take the re-invention of most of our economy. Hard problem. Going to take awhile. Meanwhile, kicking smokers out of workplaces is easy to do and makes a big difference.
The mental weakness thing I stand by--I would rather not hire people who who don't have the willpower, intelligence, or common sense to stop smoking. I also suspect smokers of being too prone to caving in to peer pressure, etc., I figure that's how they got started. Also, the constant smoke breaks are disruptive and cause loss of productivity. Plus, having them on staff will eventually drive up the cost of my company's benefits package.
I just don't see what good comes from hiring smokers so I have a personal policy of not employing them.
fuji said:
Fuji, Fuji, Fuji. I don't know whether to be insulted by your comments or just disregard them as what they are...ignorant. I don't think I know too many smokers that really enjoy the fact that they are addicted to cigarettes. But that is what it is, an addiction. Lord knows, I'd love to be able to use the money I spend on cigarettes towards other items of interest, however, I am addicted.
You have your own valid reasons for not wanting smokers working for you. That I do not dispute. You calling smokers dumb is just incredulous however. One thing I do want to point out to you, is that a person's work ethic cannot be judged by the fact if they are a smoker or not. A smoker could pump out 10 times more work in a hour, go for a quick smoke and return to their desk and continue that cycle every day for your company. On the other hand, you could have a non-smoker, dog-fucker who's work ethic is the shits, couldn't hold a match to the smoker..but yet, they aren't dumb
By chance are you starting to realize or perhaps agree you may have been overboard with your comment. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm just really offended by yours.
BTW, I'm not looking for a job...my bosses are quite satisfied with my performance.
Can't say I blame him. I've watched smokers where I work and they take a minimum of 2 breaks in the morning and 2 breaks in the afternoon to puff right outside the entrance to the office tower. At 10 minutes a break, that is 40 unauthorized minutes per person of lost productivity.Bigbossfan said:This is the most stupid comment I think I've read on TERB.
A smoker better be head and shoulders better than the non smoker before I will hire him.her.
LOL at you guys who equate output of work (let alone the quality) on whether a person smokes or not.MuffDiver said:
Get your heads out of your asses.Smokers..how about some support here!
Actually, by law every worker is allowed 2 15 minutes breaks for every 4 hours of work. So they are only cheating for 10 minutes of the company time.MuffDiver said:
A study was done and they found that a 5 min break every hour is more productive than 2 15 min breaks. It had something to do with the termporary relief or something. But I will tell you, when I worked in an office, I didn't STOP working during the day. Whether I was at my desk or not my work involved me thinking about my job as much as pushing paper and often I took things that needed reading with me when I went to smoke as that was the only uninterupted time I got during the day.
So your argument that smokers are less productive is BS. Maybe some are, but I will bet you there are more smoke free dog fuckers than smokers.
As for Fuji/fuck's comments about smokers being dumb. Well, I guess Einstein is dumb then......oh didn't you know? He was probably the smartest man or close to the top 5 men who ever lived.....shows you what your comment really means.
As for the car exhaust argument: I feel it is a valid argument because while yes, smoking IS a health hazard, banning or making smoking non pc is like putting a bandaid on a sucking chest wound or giving an ethiopian 50 bucks. The only reason anything is being done about it is because it is relatively EASY to do something about it.
Just because someone takes public transit doesn't mean they are contributing to air pollution. Again, diesel buses put more toxins in the air in 2 mins than all the smokers in toronto do in a year. As for electric powered vehicles, all that does is more the pollution elsewhere. Coal fired generators, nuclear energy (oh yeah, that's right, a reactor's "waste" is lethal for oh, 100,000 yrs.....) etc again, cause more pollution than all the smokers combined. But yeah, you're right, you don't pollute.
The real problem I have about the whole smoking ban is that we no longer have a choice in the matter. As a free enterprise society owners should be allowed to open a bar or restaurant and cater to whomever they choose, whether it is smokers or non.
Sorry, but whether you are a smoker or non smoker you should be offended by the government over stepping their bounds. This is supposed to be a free society right? Guess not.......
Like I said, wait until they start attacking one of your freedoms and we'll see how you feel then....
Um, so being outside getting cancer and stinking up the entrance contributes to output of work?Bigbossfan said:LOL at you guys who equate output of work (let alone the quality) on whether a person smokes or not.
Smokers..how about some support here!
Apparently your head is up your ass because you cannot see the obvious.
You just don't get the point. A hard working smoker can work for 50 minutes and put out alot more work than a dog fucking non-smoker can in 2 hours guaranteed. To dismiss someone's work ethic because they are a smoker is just absolutely retarded!! Being outside getting cancer and stinking up the entrance is a hell of alot better than being at the workspace beside you and blowing smoke into your "space". Be happy/satisfied that the smoker is outside. Stop your whining.MuffDiver said:
Wake up.
Bigbossfan said:
You don't get the point. A hard working non smoker will get more work done in 1 hour than a hard working smoker in 50 minutes; or a dog fucking non smoker will get alittle more work done in 1 hour than a dog fucking smoker in 50 minutes. I believe the canadian statistics are that smokers are at their jobs 14 working days per year less than the non smoker.
My observations working with smokers--they get sloppy or rush some parts of the job when it's almost time for their smoke break.
I will not hire smokers.. and have fired anyone who took up the habit while working for me. I cannot stand how they think it is ok to come back in the office after puffing away for 15 minutes and stink up the office.
I don't watch my team's time that closely, I watch their performance so the frequent breaks are just an added piss-off, not a main complaint.
What biases me against smokers is what it says about their character. Back when Einstein was alive we didn't know how bad smoking really was. In 2007 anyone who smokes lacks common sense. Worse, they lack the willpower necessary to overcome the addiction. Worse still, if they're under 40, they took up the habit knowing full well it was dumb just so they could fit in with their friends.
Do I want to hire someone with no common sense, who lacks willpower, and who is likely to do something they know is dumb just to go along with the crowd? Can I trust important decisions to someone with those character traits?
Hell no.
What biases me against smokers is what it says about their character. Back when Einstein was alive we didn't know how bad smoking really was. In 2007 anyone who smokes lacks common sense. Worse, they lack the willpower necessary to overcome the addiction. Worse still, if they're under 40, they took up the habit knowing full well it was dumb just so they could fit in with their friends.
Do I want to hire someone with no common sense, who lacks willpower, and who is likely to do something they know is dumb just to go along with the crowd? Can I trust important decisions to someone with those character traits?
Hell no.
Well, before you get too riled up just be aware of the legal ramifications of firing someone because they smell.....put it this way, if you fired me because of this you'd be hit with an ulawful dismissal suit so fast your as would hurt.Papi Chulo said:
And before you jump all over me for my "smoke stink" here's a little tidbit for you: I used to work in a large accounting office. There were oh, 75+ women there and about 5 guys. I am incredibly allergic to cheap perfume and walking into that department first thing in the morning was like rolling around in a hay mow (I'm allergic to hay too). I'd break out in a rash, sneeze my ass off, eyes watering etc. It was so bad I'd have to take an antihistamine before getting to the office EVERY day. It got to the point where I had to talk to the supervisor of the woman who sat next to me because she bought her perfume by the gallon and took a bath in it everyday.
Just because YOU find a smell pleasant, doesn't mean everyone does and vice versa.
LOL Fuji man, you crack me up, you really do.....God it must be nice to walk around knowing your shit don't stink. I mean, I just can't believe someone can be so narrow minded, self righteous and arrogant? Fuck me how do people even tolerate you?
That argument that "they didn't know smoking was bad for you" is the same excuse obese people use when they say they didn't know eating at mcdonalds is bad for you.
Please re-read my original comment and leave out the personal attacks.Bigbossfan said:
My comments are related to smoking and not fucking the dog. I don't tolerate those people either, regardless of their bad habits.
If a smoker is a star, he can stay. BUT, he needs to be a star as he works less hours than a non smoker. Productivity is measured against pre-established baselines. If they meet/exceed the baseline, smoking would not be as big an issue.
The bottom line is you pay people a salary for a specific amount of hours worked and pay out a bonus to those who perform well. Paying people to smoke cigarettes on my time is an issue. So is surfing the web, dealing with personal matters, chit chatting on the phone and so on.
On a final note, I am entitled to not breath cigarette smoke. I will be glad once smokers are driven into their homes and off the streets. I thought a by-law was passed to stop people from smoking within x feet of a public entrance. I can't find it, so maybe it failed. Even if it passed, it is not repspected or enforced anyway.
