Question about Criminal Records?

msog87

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There's no way it would be that easy. Once they have your data, they have it forever.
thats why you erase your CPIC record before they have a chance to find out about it. once the CPIC record is gone theyll never know you were even arrested. a pardon doesnt erase your CPIC record, you need both a pardon and whats called a file destruction. the only thing you can never erase is the local police record of the arresting police force but that info is unavailable to u.s. customs unless they went beyond the norm to investigate you which won't happen.

The Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC) is the central police database where Canada's law enforcement agencies can access information on a number of matters. It is Canada's only national law enforcement networking computer system ensuring officers all across the country can access the same information. There are approximately 3 million files generated each year and is the responsibility of the originating agency to ensure the data integrity of each file.[1]

CPIC was approved for use by the Treasury Board of Canada and became operational in 1972. It is maintained by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) with the central registry located at the RCMP Headquarters in Ottawa, Canada. CPIC is interfaced with the United States National Crime Information Center and National Law Enforcement Telecommunications System[2] but not all information are shared. For example, Wandering Persons Registry information is not shared across the border.[3]

In order for a government agency to access CPIC, they must agree to abide by the rules set out in the CPIC Reference Manual and be approved by the CPIC Advisory Committee, composed of 26 senior police officers from municipal and provincial police forces, the Ontario Police Commission and the RCMP.[4] Non-policing agencies must also enter a memorandum of understanding with the RCMP and maybe audited from time to time for compliance.[2]

CPIC is broken down into four data banks: Investigative, Identification, Intelligence and Ancillary[5] which contain information on:

Vehicles/marine
Stolen or abandoned vehicles/boats
Persons
Wanted persons
People who are accused of crime(s)
People on probation or parolees
Special Interest Police (SIP)
Judicial orders
Access to the Offender Management System of Correctional Service of Canada
Missing persons
Stolen property
Dental characteristics
Canadian Firearms Registry of the Canadian Firearms Program
Wandering Persons Registry
Alzheimer's disease patients who register with the Alzheimer Society of Canada in case they go missing
CPIC criminal surveillance
Criminal intelligence gathered across the country
Criminal Record Synopsis
Condensed information about a person's criminal record

Local, municipal and provincial police services in Canada, as well as federal law enforcement agencies such as the Canada Border Services Agency and Military Police maintain their own local records in addition to CPIC records. Local records are maintained of all contact with police for a variety of reasons, and may or may not contain information that would be entered into the CPIC system. All CPIC agencies are subject to audit on a 4 year cycle. All records added to the CPIC system must satisfy stringent entry criteria in that every record must be, valid, accurate, complete in nature and compliant with input rules. The province of British Columbia is mandated by law that all police forces share a platform, known as PRIME-BC. In Ontario local records are now kept in systems known either as NICHE or Versadex, depending on the Municipalities choice of implementation. In Quebec the system used is called CRPQ (Centre de Reseignement des Policiers du Québec). The RCMP runs a similar system in provinces where they are providing contract policing.
 

Keebler Elf

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thats why you erase your CPIC record before they have a chance to find out about it.
Ahh, missed that part. Yes, this will work if you've never traveled to the US before.

But if/when the day comes that the data is shared immediately between Canada and the US (i.e., not when you cross for the first time), then you'll be fucked with or without a pardon.
 

msog87

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Ahh, missed that part. Yes, this will work if you've never traveled to the US before.

But if/when the day comes that the data is shared immediately between Canada and the US (i.e., not when you cross for the first time), then you'll be fucked with or without a pardon.
itll still work if you havnt been flagged.
 

Keebler Elf

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itll still work if you havnt been flagged.
How will it still work if/when the US can immediately download your criminal record as soon as you are convicted? Your passport will be irrelevant other than to link you to your file on their database (which will already have your history).
 

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Why not simply go shopping in NY for the day and see what happens. If you are not allowed in, fuck it, just plan on taking Mexico and Cuban vacations. I've been to Vegas once, unless you are rich, its nothing that great, IMO I enjoyed trips to Florida and their beaches more so and you can lay at nice beaches in Mexico and Cuba......me isn't allowed to go to Cuba and I've done nothing illegal, lol
 

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What is a pardon/record suspension?
A pardon/record suspension allows people who were convicted of a criminal offence, but have completed their sentence and demonstrated they are law-abiding citizens, to have their criminal record kept separate and apart from other criminal records. Pardons/Record Suspensions are issued by the federal government of Canada. This means that any search of the Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC) will not show that you had a criminal record, or that you were issued a pardon/record suspension.



http://pardons.org/pardons_faqs.html
http://pardons.org/us_entry_waivers_faq.html
 

S.C. Joe

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Well if you can get a pardon-if you need to-get it, won't hurt to have it.

Its hard for me to believe there be no record of a pardon at all ? Just maybe your local police and employers might not see it but anybody no matter how high up you go ?
 

msog87

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How will it still work if/when the US can immediately download your criminal record as soon as you are convicted? Your passport will be irrelevant other than to link you to your file on their database (which will already have your history).
doesnt work that way, all they do is view the CPIC database if your file is erased then it isnt there.
 

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You can also apply for a waiver from the American Customs and Border Patrol for individual visits to the US if you don't have time to go through the pardon process.

https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/de...dian-with-criminal-record-or-overstay,-waiver
If you have a record, getting a US waiver is the only measure that ensures you can cross into the US. You need the US to 'pardon' you, and they don't care a pinch whether Canada has. Last I heard it was some six hundred bucks and a six-month process.

My experience, as a criminal with a record—blew over .08—has been fine. The passport scans and plate checks have never brought anything up that was mentioned. In fact lawyers have told me border agents are permitted discretion when a foreign criminal offence is not an American offence, so perhaps that's been the case. But as that is at the agent's discretion, I find it hard to imagine they would make no mention and want no appreciation.

However lawyers have also told me that it is the duty of the person applying for entry—that'd be you, and me—to disclose any reason that might bar entry, so that Catch-22 makes guys like us really undesirable if we do get checked. Now we're criminals who used false pretences.

As a young offender the law's concern—back in pre-Harper days—was to see your life wasn't ruined by a single offence. Juvenile records were to be sealed if the kid grew up straight and clean. Do the background check thing. There's no point in the expense of the US Waiver, or the nerves of the Catch-22 approach if any border queries will just come back clean.

If you don't, welcome to my fantasy world of believing 'databases, records and computer networks aren't that good yet, and besides why would they care that much about stopping li'l ol' me from attending a family funeral'.
 
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