Queen Street Shutdown

[Darts]

Queen Street to be shutdown for 4 years, yes, 4 years.
Ontario Line Construction Will Shut Down Parts Of Queen Street Until 2027 - Narcity

 

[bazokajoe]

Oh well. Such is the price of progress.

 

[Darts]

Oh well. Such is the price of progress.

When "they" say 4 years they actually mean 6 years or maybe 8 years or maybe forever.

 

[basketcase]

Anyone who drives down there is a huge problem so the lack of road space isn't a problem in my mind. The Queen streetcar will just move a block or two south through that area. No big deal. the only real concern I would have is about street front businesses losing access but I don't think that's much of an issue for that section, most of the retail near there is underground in the path system.

 

[black booty lover]

Anyone who drives down there is a huge problem so the lack of road space isn't a problem in my mind. The Queen streetcar will just move a block or two south through that area. No big deal. the only real concern I would have is about street front businesses losing access but I don't think that's much of an issue for that section, most of the retail near there is underground in the path system.

Yeah, and it's not like people drive to Yonge and Queen to go to a specific store. Most people shopping down there have either made the trip the hit the Eaton Centre, or they live close so it's a lot of impulse shopping and ambient traffic anyway.

 

[Meesh]

Metrolinx is estimating 4.5 years. Given their 'success' with Eglinton Ave, I wonder what the over/under is?

I'm wagering on 7.

 

[Frankfooter]

Anyone who drives down there is a huge problem so the lack of road space isn't a problem in my mind. The Queen streetcar will just move a block or two south through that area. No big deal. the only real concern I would have is about street front businesses losing access but I don't think that's much of an issue for that section, most of the retail near there is underground in the path system.

I don't think you can move the streetcar easily at all.
Richmond used to have tracks but they are paved over.

Instead it'll be 6 years of buses.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

When "they" say 4 years they actually mean 6 years or maybe 8 years or maybe forever

And 25% over budget

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Metrolinx is estimating 4.5 years. Given their 'success' with Eglinton Ave, I wonder what the over/under is?

I'm wagering on 7

I can't remember now, but didn't St. Clair Ave. construction also take twice as long??

 

[Darts]

I don't think you can move the streetcar easily at all.
Richmond used to have tracks but they are paved over.

Instead it'll be 6 years of buses.

You are disagreeing with basketcase (who also got a thumbs up from another member)?

 

[Frankfooter]

You are disagreeing with basketcase (who also got a thumbs up from another member)?

OMG, you're right.
I am duty bound to agree with everything he posts.
(except about that one country..)

 

[Ponderling]

But it is a congested enough old street that there will be a zillion utilities installations to move to allow this new work. So will take gobs of time.

 

[Mythos]

Considering you cannot drive on King St. either, it will be a nightmare to get around the area
Toronto used to proclaim how great it's downtown core is compared to US cities...many of which are ghost towns at night.
Now with road closures, lane reductions, poor roads, and no reasonable parking, who wants to go downtown anymore.

 

[Intrepid416]

Metrolinx is estimating 4.5 years. Given their 'success' with Eglinton Ave, I wonder what the over/under is?

I'm wagering on 7.

I think you are giving Metrolinx too much credit at 7 - there are not enough skilled trades to both Ontario line and Scarborough extension at same time and there is still the push into York Region to do Yonge extension, let alone any additions to GO Rail. Also not sure why there needs to be a transfer point at both Queen and at Osgoode. Maybe just one at City Hall in between with links to both Queen and Osgoode might have worked like how they build in Hong Kong. Our standards and schedules of construction are not the envy of the world....

 

[Darts]

Considering you cannot drive on King St. either, it will be a nightmare to get around the area

You can't actually bike on King Street either because of all the huge concrete blocks on the road blocking your path and forcing you very close to the streetcars. Those tracks are also a bike hazard. King Street is NOT bike friendly.

 

[black booty lover]

who wants to go downtown anymore.

Despite everything you just listed, LOTS of people, not to mention, lots HAVE to go downtown as well.

 

[basketcase]

You can't actually bike on King Street either because of all the huge concrete blocks on the road blocking your path and forcing you very close to the streetcars. Those tracks are also a bike hazard. King Street is NOT bike friendly.
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Actually plenty of room, as long as asholes don't park their car like in the pic.

 

[superstar_88]

Actually plenty of room, as long as asholes don't park their car like in the pic.

Agree with this. Dart is just full of it. Dart thinks there's a streetcar every 5 seconds. King street is one of the best and safest streets to ride right now with almost no cars.

 

[Darts]

Still waiting for dedicated bike lanes on King.

"the city of Toronto announced that it was considering ways to improve the congestion on King Street. One solution was to transform King St into a pedestrian, transit and cyclist zone only."
King Street Is Officially Becoming A Pedestrian Only Road - Narcity

 

[K Douglas]

City is going down the tubes. Fast. Sad to see.