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Putin state propaganda and the Russian home front situation

mandrill

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Articles begin to discuss whether The Poo will be deposed and how.


 

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The question is, who would step in? A more diabolical POS or a calming Gorbachev-type leader?
The Poo has repressed the moderates and empowered the ultra-nationalist hardliners. So that reduces the possibility of a conciliatory replacement.
 

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The Poo has repressed the moderates and empowered the ultra-nationalist hardliners. So that reduces the possibility of a conciliatory replacement.
Sure but any regime change causes some chaos and a potential for blow back... and it's not as if someone is going to be more cunty than Poutine
 

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Sure but any regime change causes some chaos and a potential for blow back... and it's not as if someone is going to be more cunty than Poutine
Short of nuking Kyiv, there's really nothing they could do anyway.

I guess the alternative would be for them to think in terms of a multi-year, full national mobilization war and simply to overwhelm Ukraine. But even then, they're going to lose because Russia has no access to hi-tech due to the sanctions and the Russian economy is smaller than Canada's and Ukraine will be supported by the West which has 40 or 50 times Russia's resources.

So they can deploy conscripts with AK's and perhaps over time train them better, but Ukraine will have better artillery, tanks and comms. Plus that issue of top-to-bottom gross theft, grift and corruption isn't going away because the rot flows down from guys like Putin, Shoigu and Prigozin at the top.

And then Russia has to deal with the political and economic fall-out of a shitty war.

Seen in those terms, it's simply a case of a country taking on a military task at which it cannot succeed, but is too big to be quickly defeated.
 

NotADcotor

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Short of nuking Kyiv, there's really nothing they could do anyway.

I guess the alternative would be for them to think in terms of a multi-year, full national mobilization war and simply to overwhelm Ukraine. But even then, they're going to lose because Russia has no access to hi-tech due to the sanctions and the Russian economy is smaller than Canada's and Ukraine will be supported by the West which has 40 or 50 times Russia's resources.

So they can deploy conscripts with AK's and perhaps over time train them better, but Ukraine will have better artillery, tanks and comms. Plus that issue of top-to-bottom gross theft, grift and corruption isn't going away because the rot flows down from guys like Putin, Shoigu and Prigozin at the top.

And then Russia has to deal with the political and economic fall-out of a shitty war.

Seen in those terms, it's simply a case of a country taking on a military task at which it cannot succeed, but is too big to be quickly defeated.
I suppose 14 million rRussians with Korean War level tech with a core of cold war remnenets could do something vs a million Ukrainians with what ever hand downs NATO is willing to provide assuming Trump and his crew don't get the power to block. However I can't see Russia getting to that point without the rank and file pulling a



Only not as insanely adorkably cute.
 

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I suppose 14 million rRussians with Korean War level tech with a core of cold war remnenets could do something vs a million Ukrainians with what ever hand downs NATO is willing to provide assuming Trump and his crew don't get the power to block. However I can't see Russia getting to that point without the rank and file pulling a
What are the kill rates from the 2nd Gulf War, US w 1990's tech vs the Iraqi army with 1970's tech? Something like 15:1 in favour of the US?

There's a reason that Saddam's Revolutionary Guard (or whatever they were called) bugged out.
 

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Of Putin's latest blitzkreig of 100 missiles, not one soldier nor single piece military was hit. Purely civillian targets, including ..... fucking children's playgrounds!

These hundreds of millions of rubles were expended purely to appease the hard line Russians who want to see something done to jack off to.

The only military impact it had was to steel the resolve of Ukrainians to kick these inhumane savages out of their country.
 

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These hundreds of millions of rubles were expended purely to appease the hard line Russians who want to see something done to jack off to.
more like majority of russians :( their grievances can only be compared to MAGA grievances. Ultra right degenerates everywhere want their countries back!
 
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NotADcotor

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What are the kill rates from the 2nd Gulf War, US w 1990's tech vs the Iraqi army with 1970's tech? Something like 15:1 in favour of the US?
Granted, but Ukraine is doing well but it isn't US levels of Ninja Gronkatude.
 

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Granted, but Ukraine is doing well but it isn't US levels of Ninja Gronkatude.
But..... conscript a half-million more moozhiks and arm them with old 1980's T-62's and even older T-55's. Then arm the Ukrainians with upgraded, modern Abrams and Leopards. And you'll get that same 15:1 kill ratio. (Latest is that Germany will now actually give Leopards to the Ukrainians btw.)

Maybe even higher if the moozhkonskriptniks are untrained and the wiring and optics are stripped from those antique tanks!
 

NotADcotor

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But..... conscript a half-million more moozhiks and arm them with old 1980's T-62's and even older T-55's. Then arm the Ukrainians with upgraded, modern Abrams and Leopards. And you'll get that same 15:1 kill ratio. (Latest is that Germany will now actually give Leopards to the Ukrainians btw.)

Maybe even higher if the moozhkonskriptniks are untrained and the wiring and optics are stripped from those antique tanks!
Yeah but NATO doesn't seem keen on giving Ukraine anything but some castoffs. There is enough tanks in storage in the US to equip about 10 cold war divisions with M1A2s about 300K dudes if you include mechanics, clerks, potato peelers etc. No motion on it.
An army of 14 million armed with newly constructed T55s with bigger barrels [which they can do] vs about a million dudes with not even a 10th with western gear and the rest with WP cast offs or well, nothing, because ex WP could ship all their old kit and it won't be anywhere near enough.

Numbers do matter, Ask the Americans in North Korea who were doing really well until they found a chink in North Korean Armour [Mad Magazine and their spiff on MASH, I still remember that bit, I likes me a good word play]

Sure if NATO goes full braaapt economically and equip Ukraine, or at the least shit out their old M1A2s in storage it would even things about a bit. But even indestructible tanks like the Tiger can be taken out. One trick the Germans did in 1941 vs the T34 is to hit is with an auto fire 20mm gun. Would never penetrate the armour, but it creates a racket that fucks up the crew.

But again, trying to bring in WWII economic and personal mobilization, the regime wouldn't survive that.
 

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What are the kill rates from the 2nd Gulf War, US w 1990's tech vs the Iraqi army with 1970's tech? Something like 15:1 in favour of the US?

There's a reason that Saddam's Revolutionary Guard (or whatever they were called) bugged out.
Trent Telenko had a thread about how during the Iran/Iraq war they used way, way more shells.
But that was oil money buying ordinence.

I think Putin has been selling more arms that building up his own supplies and base.
NATO may not be giving the most modern and lethal options but instead just enough to make the Ukrainian rout of Putin more believable.
If the US gave Ukraine longer range weapons it might speed up the war but increase Putin's desparation.
As it is Putin has to soon decide if its better to lose or use nukes.
 

NotADcotor

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Hmmm surrender monkeys in Paris are protesting huh.
 

mandrill

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I'm glad they have something to do. They haven't had an excuse for violent, mass protests in Paris since COVID ended and they couldn't riot about masks.
 
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