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y2kmark

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There are many on this board who know a lot of history. Recall that when Abraham Lincoln was elected the US was deeply divided and facing a serious crisis. To attempt to heal some divisions and find a way forward, he appointed his political opponents to fill his cabinet. Seward for S. of State (remember him? He had the US buy Alaska from the Russians - they are still burned up over that one) and so on. In the event that Joseph Biden wins the election and a peaceful transition is being put in place, who would you recommend to the POTUS elect for his cabinet? Should he include the Donald? Lincoln didn't offer anything to outgoing POTUS Buchannon, but times have changed.

haven't considered each position yet, but Anita Hill as Attorney General comes to mind. Mitt Romney for interior maybe. One of the generals the Donald fired, James (mad dog) Mattis for defense (IMHO Trump turned out to be the mad dog that time) I'd like to know what others think...
 

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Well I always kinda thought a special department deep, deep, right to the point of plausible deniability within the Bureau of Prisons, Bunkers and Dungeons should be established to dole out cell block jobs to the BunkerBitch and his soon to be unemployed family of grifters and his assortment of all sorts criminal compatriots.
 

Valcazar

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There are many on this board who know a lot of history. Recall that when Abraham Lincoln was elected the US was deeply divided and facing a serious crisis. To attempt to heal some divisions and find a way forward, he appointed his political opponents to fill his cabinet. Seward for S. of State (remember him? He had the US buy Alaska from the Russians - they are still burned up over that one) and so on. In the event that Joseph Biden wins the election and a peaceful transition is being put in place, who would you recommend to the POTUS elect for his cabinet? Should he include the Donald? Lincoln didn't offer anything to outgoing POTUS Buchannon, but times have changed.

haven't considered each position yet, but Anita Hill as Attorney General comes to mind. Mitt Romney for interior maybe. One of the generals the Donald fired, James (mad dog) Mattis for defense (IMHO Trump turned out to be the mad dog that time) I'd like to know what others think...
Why?
Why would he appoint any of those people?
As far as "bring a Republican into cabinet or important office" -- the Dems have done that for a while now. it tends to blow up in their faces because - unfortunately - the GOP is more interested in power than in the country.
Biden has gone on the record as saying he would accept a Republican in cabinet. But it would have to be one who could work with the Dems. It is a way to play at being bipartisan knowing that no GOP person would go for it right now. He gets to appear broad minded knowing that no Republican could work with him and not get destroyed by the GOP.

There is no value - none - in inviting rivals in for the sake of showing you are being magnanimous. They have to be people who are actually going to work with you and not sabotage you. Remember that the "Team of Rivals" were all members of the same party. He didn't go and recruit Confederates to join him.
 

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Bunker Bitch has so thoroughly polluted the Republican Party with felons, racists and incompetents that it's going to take the GOP many years to recover to its former self.

Most Republicans are going to need several years just to relocate their balls after what the orange shit stain has done to them (paging the guy with the ugly wife whose dad killed Kennedy and Little Marco!).

Oh wait, Trumptard will win because Hillary was leading in the polls like Biden is. Never mind then.
 

y2kmark

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Bunker Bitch has so thoroughly polluted the Republican Party with felons, racists and incompetents that it's going to take the GOP many years to recover to its former self.

Most Republicans are going to need several years just to relocate their balls after what the orange shit stain has done to them (paging the guy with the ugly wife whose dad killed Kennedy and Little Marco!).

Oh wait, Trumptard will win because Hillary was leading in the polls like Biden is. Never mind then.
OK, so assuming it has to be all left of center (I still like Mattis, he can rise above politics, give him a reasonable boss and he could do his job well) Who then? I still like Anita Hill for Justice. Bernie for sure (rivals, right) maybe Veterans Administration - if he is going to hand out money right and left, veterans would certainly be the most deserving. Maybe an Obama or two, Barrak for state (if he declines, get his personal recommendation) and, if there is no minimum age limit, His daughter Malia Obama - just have a feeling she would be really great and younger minds are going to be desperately needed. Abolish Postmaster General (sorry Ben Franklin, but any statues get to stay) since USPS is supposed to be a private enterprise anyway. Add to that the current PG is about as big a turd brained yes man as Trump has come up with, which is saying a very great deal. The name escapes me, but one of the Jr. High students from Florida was very outspoken after nearly being gunned down (clarifies the mind, I'm sure). Maybe the new Secretary of Education? Thinking about the unlimited choices available choices available to a president elect, it is hard to see how Donald Trump could have done much worse.
With so low a bar Ol' Sleepy Joe can afford to get creative.

Who do you folks like for ambassador to Canada, since the current dud would have to go?
 

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Why?
Why would he appoint any of those people?
As far as "bring a Republican into cabinet or important office" -- the Dems have done that for a while now. it tends to blow up in their faces because - unfortunately - the GOP is more interested in power than in the country.
Biden has gone on the record as saying he would accept a Republican in cabinet. But it would have to be one who could work with the Dems. It is a way to play at being bipartisan knowing that no GOP person would go for it right now. He gets to appear broad minded knowing that no Republican could work with him and not get destroyed by the GOP.

There is no value - none - in inviting rivals in for the sake of showing you are being magnanimous. They have to be people who are actually going to work with you and not sabotage you. Remember that the "Team of Rivals" were all members of the same party. He didn't go and recruit Confederates to join him.
Not to mention that the dems are looking like they have the numbers to take the house and senate, so won't need cooperation.
 

Valcazar

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OK, so assuming it has to be all left of center (I still like Mattis, he can rise above politics, give him a reasonable boss and he could do his job well) Who then? I still like Anita Hill for Justice. Bernie for sure (rivals, right) maybe Veterans Administration - if he is going to hand out money right and left, veterans would certainly be the most deserving.
Don't know what Hill is up to these days so can't comment on her. Why would Bernie give up his Senate seat? I can't see that happening.

Maybe an Obama or two, Barrak for state (if he declines, get his personal recommendation) and, if there is no minimum age limit, His daughter Malia Obama - just have a feeling she would be really great and younger minds are going to be desperately needed.
People have been joking about Obama for supreme Court for ages but I can't see it happening. I don't see what qualifications he would have for secretary of state. I'm sure he would be fine, but foreign policy was never his strong suit.

Abolish Postmaster General (sorry Ben Franklin, but any statues get to stay) since USPS is supposed to be a private enterprise anyway.
What are you talking about?

With so low a bar Ol' Sleepy Joe can afford to get creative.
He isn't the creative type. Also, his lead is based almost entirely on "we are sick of this crazy shit, please be boring".
 

y2kmark

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Don't know what Hill is up to these days so can't comment on her. Why would Bernie give up his Senate seat? I can't see that happening.



People have been joking about Obama for supreme Court for ages but I can't see it happeningsee what qualifications he would have for secretary of state. I'm sure he would be fine, but foreign policy was never his strong suit.



He isn't the creative type. Also, his lead is based almost entirely on "we are sick of this crazy shit, please be boring".
Don't know what Hill is up to these days so can't comment on her. Why would Bernie give up his Senate seat? I can't see that happening.

I don't see what qualifications he would have for secretary of state. I'm sure he would be fine, but foreign policy was never his strong suit.

What are you talking about?
Bernie might give up his senate seat because he understands everyone is going to have to work together. This will be much more obvious in November than even now.

Obama was the last president to show any respect for the other members of the international community. Whoever the SOS turns out to be, there will have to be a lot of fence mending, Barrack would certainly be more qualified than Mike Pompeo.

USPS is a separate business entity. It just looks like it's still a govt. agency because Uncle keeps bailing them out every time they lose money..They were losing a great deal of money even before the pandemic. Snail mail in a texting world...
 

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Biden would try and be a peacemaker and govern for all Americans. It would not surprise me if he brought in a moderate Republican. If he wins and depending upon how badly the chosen one is beaten I do believe that many Republicans in the House and Senate will abandon the four year nightmare and actually try and govern. The moron acolytes like Jordan, Gaetz, Nunes etc. will be marginalized but will try and obstruct etc. to the extent that they can. Perhaps juts wishful thinking.
 

y2kmark

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Biden would try and be a peacemaker and govern for all Americans. It would not surprise me if he brought in a moderate Republican. If he wins and depending upon how badly the chosen one is beaten I do believe that many Republicans in the House and Senate will abandon the four year nightmare and actually try and govern. The moron acolytes like Jordan, Gaetz, Nunes etc. will be marginalized but will try and obstruct etc. to the extent that they can. Perhaps juts wishful thinking.
There's always Covid-19 ...
 

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Lincoln's assassination was a disaster for the USA. Johnson and Grant were weak Presidents, they couldn't make his reconciliation agenda work. It was ultimately rejected when the Democrats took back the WH.

If Biden becomes President he neads to project calm and strength. Considering the turmoil the USA is in, the calm part will be hard. As for the strength Admiral McRaven needs to be appointed as National Security Advisor or Secretary of Defense.

This I was not aware of, Fincantieri owns a shipyard in Green Bay. Smart move by current Secretary of State Mark Esper to award them the contract for the next generation of Destroyers for the US Navy. But it may not have been his decision, he's only been in office since Dec 2019.
 
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mandrill

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There are many on this board who know a lot of history. Recall that when Abraham Lincoln was elected the US was deeply divided and facing a serious crisis. To attempt to heal some divisions and find a way forward, he appointed his political opponents to fill his cabinet. Seward for S. of State (remember him? He had the US buy Alaska from the Russians - they are still burned up over that one) and so on. In the event that Joseph Biden wins the election and a peaceful transition is being put in place, who would you recommend to the POTUS elect for his cabinet? Should he include the Donald? Lincoln didn't offer anything to outgoing POTUS Buchannon, but times have changed.

haven't considered each position yet, but Anita Hill as Attorney General comes to mind. Mitt Romney for interior maybe. One of the generals the Donald fired, James (mad dog) Mattis for defense (IMHO Trump turned out to be the mad dog that time) I'd like to know what others think...
Seriously?

Who do you suggest? Lindsey Graham? Jim Jordan? Devin Nunes?

Anyone w a shred of self respect and ability has already bailed on the current GOP.
 
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Bernie might give up his senate seat because he understands everyone is going to have to work together. This will be much more obvious in November than even now.
He does. He is being much less of a dick trying to shore up his brand than he was last time.
But he's not known as a good executive or leader. Putting him in charge of a department plays against his strengths, which are all around being a gadfly and pushing left on all kinds of bills. I think he has more power in the Senate than he ever would in Cabinet.

Obama was the last president to show any respect for the other members of the international community. Whoever the SOS turns out to be, there will have to be a lot of fence mending, Barrack would certainly be more qualified than Mike Pompeo.
He would be liked, sure, but he wasn't a foreign policy wonk. I don't think it would be a disaster, but I don't see a lot of benefit in it.

USPS is a separate business entity. It just looks like it's still a govt. agency because Uncle keeps bailing them out every time they lose money..They were losing a great deal of money even before the pandemic. Snail mail in a texting world...
It's an independent agency. Like the CIA. Are you also saying the CIA should be privatized?
 

Valcazar

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Lincoln's assassination was a disaster for the USA. Johnson and Grant were weak Presidents, they couldn't make his reconciliation agenda work. It was ultimately rejected when the Democrats took back the WH.
I don't think Grant was particularly weak. Johnson was actively against Lincoln's agenda, though, and a fucking disaster.
 

mandrill

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I don't think Grant was particularly weak. Johnson was actively against Lincoln's agenda, though, and a fucking disaster.
He may not have had much choice, as the South was threatening mass civil disobedience.
 
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