His attorney indicates charges will be dropped.
Prosecutors may drop charges against Alec Baldwin (Rust shooting case)
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It took them all this time to figure out the gun was modified? Hard to believe.
I don’t understand that either. Moreover, I never understood the Prosecutors’ decision to charge Baldwin with the shooting itself; Baldwin was not behaving recklessly nor did he intend to harm the Hutchins in any way.
If Baldwin was guilty of anything, it always seemed to me that it would be through his being the film’s producer and thereby responsible for safety on the set; but it doesn’t sound like they are pursuing charges on that either.
It always seemed to me that the Prosecutors were charging this case very aggressively and, from what the article suggests, it sounds like there may have been some political grandstanding going on around this case? Now that those DA’s have been removed, the new Prosecutors are basically withdrawing all charges.
Yes…and Hutchins’ widowed husband is one of the executive producers on the film so it sounds like he and Baldwin must be on reasonably good terms?
Oops, not so fast
nypost.com
Alec Baldwin could be charged again in ‘Rust’ shooting after analysis finds trigger was pulled
Experts in ballistics and forensic testing based in Arizona and New Mexico released a report examining the revolver used on set and markings it left on a spent cartridge.
nypost.com
It is hard to prove intent in this case, it is not an easy case to win so they may not prosecute.
As with many things in the courts. There is very little realistic chance of a conviction. “Beyond a reasonable doubt”…The doesn’t mean, said person charged with X isn’t guilty. It means the prosecution couldn’t meet the burden of proof. I imagine, the family will win, a hefty civil case. If he is smart he will settle out of court. Everyone is allowed their opinion. In this case, there were a few breakdowns. And in reality, each player involved should be assigned a proportion of blame. That is not how the legal system works.
He fucked up huge.
If you’ve ever handled firearms you would know why, or worded better understand why he is also partially responsible.
Let’s dispel a couple things first.
The guns are not modified as some have said. They are the real deals. They are not props, they are the real deals.
“But actors, movies”
So….what….
1) he was rehearsing. No cameras rolling. He should never have played with it and pulled the trigger. Nor should it have been loaded with squat….it’s very arguable, no gun needed to be in his hand period.
2) it does not matter who passes you a firearm. You, always check it…. And the onus is on that person…
I guess many people have never watched movies when soldiers pass a firearm to a drill Sgt, or officer…what is the first thing they do? Even when they know, know there is no live ammunition in it…they check it.
I’m pretty sure, though way too late. The state has since revised their laws and made gun safety courses mandatory for any actors…
Funny, people come up with all kinds of excuses. Yet, actors/actresses will spend ungodly sums of money, for singing lessons, dancing lessons, martial arts, for roles….
But don’t know the first thing about firearms and gun safety and how to handle them.
He fucked up huge.
If you’ve ever handled firearms you would know why, or worded better understand why he is also partially responsible.
Let’s dispel a couple things first.
The guns are not modified as some have said. They are the real deals. They are not props, they are the real deals.
“But actors, movies”
So….what….
1) he was rehearsing. No cameras rolling. He should never have played with it and pulled the trigger. Nor should it have been loaded with squat….it’s very arguable, no gun needed to be in his hand period.
2) it does not matter who passes you a firearm. You, always check it…. And the onus is on that person…
I guess many people have never watched movies when soldiers pass a firearm to a drill Sgt, or officer…what is the first thing they do? Even when they know, know there is no live ammunition in it…they check it.
I’m pretty sure, though way too late. The state has since revised their laws and made gun safety courses mandatory for any actors…
Funny, people come up with all kinds of excuses. Yet, actors/actresses will spend ungodly sums of money, for singing lessons, dancing lessons, martial arts, for roles….
But don’t know the first thing about firearms and gun safety and how to handle them.
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That’s why I said, right off the bat. The prosecution doesn’t have a chance at a conviction, burden of proof and reasonable doubt. But the family will win a civi suit.
So if I get this straight they took apart a malfunctioning gun, and then put it back together with new parts, and since it now works properly they are saying Baldwin must have pulled the trigger? 
Isn't that a bit like if I caused a collision with my car because the brakes failed, and then they fixed the brakes, and since they now work fine the original accident was my fault?
Isn't that a bit like if I caused a collision with my car because the brakes failed, and then they fixed the brakes, and since they now work fine the original accident was my fault?
The gun used is what’s known as a single action revolver. It is almost impossible for single action revolvers to fire with the hammer in the 1/2 or full cocked position, which you basically need/want to do. Without pulling the trigger.
When the hammers are de-cocked ( down) the pin can ignite the primer but you’d basically have to hit the hammer, with a hammer.
Baldwins claim of “I didn’t pull the trigger” is basically a lie. What might have happened is while playing western hero during a rehearsal is with his finger on the trigger (again don’t do it. Basic gun safety) He applied enough force ( pounds of pressure) to the trigger to cock and for it release, striking the back of the casing with the pin. Me, I’m going with lie…Either way………
When the hammers are de-cocked ( down) the pin can ignite the primer but you’d basically have to hit the hammer, with a hammer.
Baldwins claim of “I didn’t pull the trigger” is basically a lie. What might have happened is while playing western hero during a rehearsal is with his finger on the trigger (again don’t do it. Basic gun safety) He applied enough force ( pounds of pressure) to the trigger to cock and for it release, striking the back of the casing with the pin. Me, I’m going with lie…Either way………
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It is possible that Baldwin believes that he did not pull the trigger. The gun may have been cocked and enough pressure was applied to the trigger to release the hammer. It was irresponsible for the arms master to allow people to handle the firearm even if it only had a blank cartridge. A gun with blank cartridge can take out an eye or severely damage hearing, if your finger is in front of the muzzle it can take off a digit.
Are Blanks Deadly?!?
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That’s kind of what I was getting at Ceiling cat. I don’t know how many pounds of force is needed. If I recall the description he was practicing drawing it and pointing towards the camera. So he cocked it during the draw and squeezed the trigger and is lying. Or cocked it during the draw, put his forefinger on the trigger and doesn’t realize he pulled the trigger..
The armorer screwed up, as did the other director that said “cold” or whatever. Baldwin screwed up the most. He, and he alone was the last person with it in his hands. The first rule would have, should have prevented it.
Baldwin screwed up twice.
Two golden rules of basic gun safety. You don’t put your finger on the trigger until…He should not have even cocked it…
And the fact it was just a rehearsal, no camera rolling. Destroys any defence of “he’s an actor in a movie”….he could have used a plastic water pistol if he felt he really needed a “gun in his hand” for that. It’s also entirely possible that is why the armorer missed it. It was just a rehearsal…why load, what’s not needed..
And when you consider, what kind of lessons they will take. Spend months training for a role. Gain/lose all kind of weight, etc etc.
a basic course in gun safety…there’s no excuse.
The armorer screwed up, as did the other director that said “cold” or whatever. Baldwin screwed up the most. He, and he alone was the last person with it in his hands. The first rule would have, should have prevented it.
Baldwin screwed up twice.
Two golden rules of basic gun safety. You don’t put your finger on the trigger until…He should not have even cocked it…
And the fact it was just a rehearsal, no camera rolling. Destroys any defence of “he’s an actor in a movie”….he could have used a plastic water pistol if he felt he really needed a “gun in his hand” for that. It’s also entirely possible that is why the armorer missed it. It was just a rehearsal…why load, what’s not needed..
And when you consider, what kind of lessons they will take. Spend months training for a role. Gain/lose all kind of weight, etc etc.
a basic course in gun safety…there’s no excuse.
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