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Pros and Cons of Opening Up Your Own Business

tboy

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Our local mom and pop photofinishing shop went bankrupt last year. Couldn't compete with the local Wal-Mart and digital cameras. The guy said he spent $300,000 on a Norbord (?) lab machine just a few years earlier.
Yeah, when you operate your own business (whether it be retail, corporate, contractor, or whatever) you have to know your market. The film processing industry is a dying breed. Just like the abacus, turntable, ice delivery, etc.

Wasn't Kodak on the ropes a few years ago?
 

SkyRider

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Wasn't Kodak on the ropes a few years ago?

Heard that Kodak actually discovered the digital camera but hid it in the closet for fear that it would hurt their film business.

Here is an advice for the entrepreneur. Never be arrogant.
 

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There are numerous benefits of running your own business but
it all depends on you. The hours will be long and if you hire someone
else to work for you, you're very luck if you can get someone that
you can regularly depend on. The other thing is now you have to
consider competition from all areas and the changes in any market
come faster than they use to. You have no benefits and while you may
save on contributing to EI, you won't collect any if your business goes
under.
 

mb12ca

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What are the pros and cons of opening up your own business?

I'll start:

Pros:
- You get to be your own boss
- You set your own hours
- You have unlimited earning potential
- You can take as many vacation days as you'd like

Cons:
- You have to work very long hours
- You may have to work 6 or 7 days a week
- Your income is variable
- You can lose A LOT of money if your business fails
- You have to do a lot of extra paperwork
- You get no benefits or pension
- Your business has to gross at least 100k/yr for you live above the poverty line

Feel free to add to the list.
There is very little benefit if any to running your own business. I did for almost 6 years and it was the worst time of my life. You are responsible for everything that happens, don't have much control over what does take place, and you have to deal with so many pain-in-the-ass diva type persons (men and women). The government will bother you as will everything else after a while. Competition is also fierce, so if you do open a business, make sure you specialize in something and have a plan to start growing your business from the day you open. I will give you an example.

Let's say you want to open a general discount store. So you look for a space of 5000 square feet and you stock it with general merchandise at cheap prices. Because you are small and because your space and working capital is limited, you will have a near impossible time competing with all the other general sellers in your surrounding marketplace. You won't be able to grow, because you won't find success in your positioning in said market.

Now, instead of opening a store and selling everything and anything, let's say you chose a category that you knew was in demand. Let's say you wanted to stickers (stickers were very popular in my store, they are low cost and high margin. So, you decide to rent a 2000 square foot space and stock it with every sticker available to you in the market. Kids stickers, scrapbooking stickers, imported-overseas stickers from all around the world etc. You would most likely have the best and most exclusive selection on the market, you could negotiate better deals with suppliers because you would be buying larger amounts, and customers would chose you over the Walmart's, Michael's type stores because they would see you as being better. The likely success that would result would allow you to generate enough cash flow to duplicate your initial success in another market, therefore resulting in growth and more economies of scale.
 

Rockslinger

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Now, instead of opening a store and selling everything and anything,
It is amazing how Sam Walton build Wal-Mart from one little store in Arkansas after WW II.

It is also amazing how the founder (forget his name now) built Tim Hortons or how Mr. Bell built Taco Bell. Bill Gates is another success story and Google and Facebook.
 

tboy

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It is amazing how Sam Walton build Wal-Mart from one little store in Arkansas after WW II.

It is also amazing how the founder (forget his name now) built Tim Hortons or how Mr. Bell built Taco Bell. Bill Gates is another success story and Google and Facebook.
You're such a goofball sometimes, DOH it was TIM HORTON who started Tim Horton's....LMMFAO.....

BTW: starting your own business doesn't just mean a "company" or "retail"....one can start small and be self employed. Then when you grow, you can start acquiring employees, office space or what have you.

Hell, SP's "own their own business", escort agencies have a phone, a phone book, a computer and a bunch of subs. You don't need a billion dollars or invest a shit load of money to start a business.....
 

mb12ca

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It is amazing how Sam Walton build Wal-Mart from one little store in Arkansas after WW II.

It is also amazing how the founder (forget his name now) built Tim Hortons or how Mr. Bell built Taco Bell. Bill Gates is another success story and Google and Facebook.
Sam Walton got a $20,000 loan from his father-in-law (I think it was his father-in-law or someone close to him) to open his first store. That was in the 50's I believe, which in todays money would be like being given a million dollars plus. I had to start my business with my own money. No one gave me anything. If i had of been given a million or more to start, it would have been so much easier to grown and become successful. My advice was to people who start business without alot of capital. It is an entirely different story if you have alot of capital. Also, Larry Rossy, the founder of Dollarama who is now worth over a billion dollars, inherited his families business of 20+ discount stores, so when he converted them to dollar stores in 1992, he was already ahead of the game just in so many ways. Just in the inventory gain changing from higher-end plus dollar items to strictly dollar items, he would of at least generated enough cash flow to pay to have all his shelves stocked after the first turnover of merchandise.
 

tboy

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MB12: the problem you had, as I see it, you used YOUR money. First rule of business is: don't use YOUR money, use someone ELSE'S.

That's how banks work.......
 

mb12ca

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Ha Ha Ha! I wish I could use other people's money, but unfortunately banks will not lend people like me money. They will lend a group of investors money, they will lend high-flyers money etc., but little nobodies like myself either have to put up home-equity or some other type of guarantee.

I think it is a myth that banks lend people money and expose themselves to risk. That is only the case with a select group of people or on television.
 

Rockslinger

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You're such a goofball sometimes, DOH it was TIM HORTON who started Tim Horton's....LMMFAO.....
I plead guilty to being a goofball, sometimes:p but Tim Horton was actually just the frontman. The real founder is a retired policeman name Ron Joyce. When the real Tim Horton died in a car crash, Ron paid his widow a million dollars to buy the entire company. Tim's widow blew the million dollars on junk and sued Ron for more money and she was denied by the courts.
 

tboy

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errrr.....

"It was founded in 1964 in Hamilton, Ontario by Canadian hockey player Tim Horton and Jim Charade, after an initial venture in hamburger restaurants. In 1967 Horton partnered with investor Ron Joyce,....."
 

Rockslinger

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"It was founded in 1964 in Hamilton, Ontario by Canadian hockey player Tim Horton and Jim Charade, after an initial venture in hamburger restaurants. In 1967 Horton partnered with investor Ron Joyce,....."
1964 is ancient history. It didn't become a major success until Ron Joyce showed up on the scene and it was Ron who built it into the multi-national company it is to-day. I think Ron sold out to Wendys for something like $300million and Tim's widow re-surfaced and wanted some of that money.

Can you imagine if you bought some shares of RIM from Tim's widow for $3 and now it is worth $70 and she wants some of that $70:(?
 

Medman52

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In 2010 it will be the start of my 34th year being self employed and I don't regret any of it.

The worst:
In the beginning getting loans was nearly impossible.
Putting money aside for the slow times ( and there are always slow times)
No vacation pay, no EI, no benefits (health etc)of any kind.
Having to work when sick or not working and not getting paid.
Being available to clients 24/7

The Best:
Not having to beg for time off.
Once the business was established, I get to set my schedule ( not 100% of the time but nearly)
and the very best: I now can take all the time off I want :)

Good luck man!
 

eldoguy

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1964 is ancient history. It didn't become a major success until Ron Joyce showed up on the scene and it was Ron who built it into the multi-national company it is to-day. I think Ron sold out to Wendys for something like $300million and Tim's widow re-surfaced and wanted some of that money.

Can you imagine if you bought some shares of RIM from Tim's widow for $3 and now it is worth $70 and she wants some of that $70:(?
That's okay in the end result, Ron Joyce son married, Hortons daughter. Let the next generation sort it out.
 

out4fun

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MB12: the problem you had, as I see it, you used YOUR money. First rule of business is: don't use YOUR money, use someone ELSE'S.

That's how banks work.......
It's virtually impossible to get commercial bank loans for a new business. The bank will require 100% personal guarantees, collateral mortgages - in effect, if you loose money it will be your own.
 

tboy

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It's virtually impossible to get commercial bank loans for a new business. The bank will require 100% personal guarantees, collateral mortgages - in effect, if you loose money it will be your own.
It all depends on the business. I remember way back in the 90's I started up a boat charter business and because it was tourism related, everyone wanted to help. Ontario Government with free advertising, advice, etc. and direction to interest free loans, business groups, free business management courses, etc. It was mind boggling actually. For the first two years I got calls about once a week from "officials" lending support.
 

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Depending on your business, you will spend a lot of money on legal fees. Your customers, employees or suppliers may sue you...EVEN IF YOU DO EVERYTHING RIGHT AND KEPT YOUR NOSE CLEAN! Always keep a war chest because jealous, lazy people will come after you hard once they see you make some good money. Just my 2 cents. Corporation, shmorporation, there are many ways to bring in directors and officers in their personal capacity, the government does it all the time and a good lawyer can pierce the corporate veil and sue you personally. Generally though...a corporation does insulate you from personal liability.
 

Rockslinger

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In 2010 it will be the start of my 34th year being self employed and I don't regret any of it.
Wow! You remind me of that TERBIE who sold his meat packing business for $25million and wants to spend the proceeds on women. Any plans to cash out soon?
 

tboy

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This is interesting. My boss charters his yacht (when he is too busy to use it) but he insists on supplying the crew to operate it.
Well, I had numerous people who wanted to pilot it themselves but:
1) It takes some skill to drive a vessel of size. It is like driving a car on glare ice with no directional control and no brakes
2) Insurance is high enough, to allow an unskilled person to pilot it would make the rates even higher
3) Boats are extremely costly to repair
4) You can't go into the harbour without proper documentation anyways so they wouldn't be able to go cruising in the most interesting place.
 
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