You avoided my question. In sports like MMA, boxing, weight lifting, etc where height, weight, muscle tone, etc. are paramount and already used to classify people, then why is it not possible for a trans woman to compete a biological woman with similar stats?
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I haven't seen the video you're referring to and you're also avoiding my question. If "fairness" in sports is really "the big" issue, then why don't we have people compete based on their their stats alone regardless of their stated or biological gender?
1. Because classification already exists between men and women, and trans women fall into the male category. Therefore there is no need for a NEW classification.
2. Because any new classification is needlessly complicated. A man (including trans women) of the same size and weight as a female will still on average have an advantage in strength due to things like bone density, muscle/fat ratio, etc. Men and women are STARKLY different in physical capability. If boys UNDER 15 years old can dominate women's soccer world champions, what do you think fully developed adult males can do? We already know... trans women (men) that would be uncompetitive against other men absolutely dominate female sports.
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3. Current classifications are intuitive. Your newly proposed one, not so much. Just like calling the man in the wig/dress/lipstick in the video below "sir" is intuitive, without intending offense.
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The sports I mentioned already use weight and other classifications. So I'm not proposing anything new, or overly complicated.1. Because classification already exists between men and women, and trans women fall into the male category. Therefore there is no need for a NEW classification.
2. Because any new classification is needlessly complicated. A man (including trans women) of the same size and weight as a female will still on average have an advantage in strength due to things like bone density, muscle/fat ratio, etc. Men and women are STARKLY different in physical capability.
Factors like bone density, muscle/fat ratio, height, weight, lung capacity, etc. are measureable and objective. I don't see why any sport could not have people compete based solely on their measurements.
Interesting how keep going on about the "advantages" of men over women, but silent about the "advantages" of equipment, and training. Take the US Olympic swim team for example. They have high tech and expensive swim suits that other teams likely can't afford. So much for fairness in sports.
We could definitely have sports delineated for a gazillion different measurements... but we don't because, as I said, it's inconvenient and counter-intuitive. I mean, we could also have all athletes eat identical meals, train on the same equipment, use the same training techniques, get the same amount of sleep, and drive the same vehicles to practice, wear the same socks, and so on... but it does get overly complicated despite you saying otherwise.
Conventionally, sports have been separated along basic biological lines of sex.
The reason why category for weight was added to combat sport is because within a short time it became clear that bigger males had a significant advantage over smaller males, regardless of their skill level. Ditto for men vs women.
Strictly speaking, we don't have absolute fairness in sport. It's not realistically possible. But we remove the glaring and significant advantages where possible.
"I don't see why any sport could not have people compete based solely on their measurements." - I assume you don't watch sports because your posts are so sterile, byzantine, and academic. Your posts come from a place of lack of understanding of fundamental concepts of competition in sport in the real world. If competitions were based on equitable measurements of lung capacity, bone density, height, weight, etc., you'd have a tough time finding a match between two people with similar enough measurements that the sport would collapse into obscurity.
Current classifications work very well for trans women. They fall into the male category of competition. No need for anything to change.
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Please show me where I proposed that all athletes should have identical training, meals, etc. Again, I didn't propose anything new. Just use the existing measurements that certain sports are already using to classify people. How is that inconvenient or counter-intuitive?
I know that absolute fairness in sports is impossible and even said that earlier. So if you really want to remove obvious advantages, then why is it not possible to have people compete solely on their measureable attributes that were already mentioned?
"If competitions were based on equitable measurements of lung capacity, bone density, height, weight, etc., you'd have a tough time finding a match between two people with similar enough measurements that the sport would collapse into obscurity."
I admit that I don't watch a lot of sports, but what's wrong with a sterile, byzantine, academic, or different take on this issue? Or maybe you don't even want a meaningful debate about this issue. Sports like everything else have and will keep evolving. If we figured out how to increase performance, decrease injuries, etc. then integrating people into sports is not a hard task. I grant you that process have to change. Yet processes have always been changing.
Taking measurments is not a difficult task and we're already doing much of it anyway. So there's no need to take a gazillion different or new measurements like you said. Just the few that separate people and make a measurable difference in competition.
More importanly, what does all of this have to do with the OP's poll? The poll results so far show that most people can optionally put pronouns on their business cards and maybe email signature. If you work at a company that mandates pronouns or something else you don't like then you can choose not to work there. If you are fired for not following those policies then you talk with a lawyer. It's just that simple.
Pronouns are just the tip of the iceberg of what has come with this new wave of gender issues.
If I call a biological male a "she" because "she" identifies as a woman, "she" may actually believe that "she" should be treated like a woman everywhere, and accepted into all women's spaces, which is wrong. Trans women cannot be conflated with biological women. And women are not chest feeders nor birthing humans with bonus holes. They are something a man can never be (and vice versa). Science says so. Society has to tread carefully into how much delusion is tolerated for the sake of politeness.
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I asked you a very simple question and you respond with the typical "tip of the iceberg" nonsense. Yet it still has nothing to do with pronouns on business cards.
Ok... you don't believe anytrhing I say and you just make up shit about me without hardly any information and call it your opinion. Congratulations, you have earned you Girl Guide Idiot Badge! And you wear it with pride, but don't expect any further responses from me because this is about as pointless as Frankfooter and Basketcase's ongoing battle over the Israeli- Palestinian conflict. Have a nice life.
-I didn’t make up shit about you. I’m not going around TERBs PM system talking trash about you, making up rumours. Over dramatic much ?????
You said you didn’t like pronouns because it regresses the English language. I called bullshit. That is not “making shit up” about you. That is just having an opinion. And I will explain why.
No one truly cares about an intangible thing like the English language except maybe Websters. LOL.
And for someone to be apparently “bi-sexual”, to see the struggles of your gay counterparts and to care more about a nonsensical thing like language over people who’s community you are apparently involved in - yeah I call bullshit. Something does not make sense in that at all. And I call it like I see it. Not to mention you still can’t seem to figure out that they/them pronouns are not used for transgendered people. Which you would know if you were truly involved in the community. Some cuckold blow jobs does not a gay person make. Sorry.
Bottomline - I personally think you are full of shit and if it is not some phobic thing then it is closed minded laziness as I said. You learned the English language once, you can practice and relearn a small part of it again. It is not that hard. So congrats. If you are not a bigot, you are just lazy. Yay you!
The question now is - why do you care so much about what same random person on the internet thinks of you? If what I have said is not true - you wouldn’t care so much to protest so hard.
But you are not responding anymore so it’s whatever….. I don’t care enough to keep going either so equally - have a nice lazy life.
