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[Frankfooter]

In what way?
You are on the record that what you say or signal is completely irrelevant, even to the point of saying that Trump's stated preference should be ignored because maybe he won't do it.

All memory is faulty and yours in particular is biased towards you thinking you are always correct. Unless you can back it up with quotes 'you are on the record' is just you trying to claim your personal opinion is correct.

Trump says a lot of shit, you believe everything? Do you believe anything he says? Why do you believe just that he will support the genocide as much as Biden? That makes no sense. Do you believe he will shoot someone on 5th avenue because he said he could get away with it?

Harris just said she wants a ceasefire, though she couches it in the AIPAC frame of 'to bring home the hostages'. I would expect its going to take a few more weeks before she makes a clearer statement on what she will really support.

Oh, you just don't believe in reality at all.
Gotcha.

Trump has no policy other than what he thinks will make him money and what people cheer for at rallies, the way 'build the wall' came about.
Given that you can't believe anything he says there is no reason to say he's genocidal until there is action any more than you wouldn't arrest him for shooting someone on 5th avenue.

Oh.
You just don't believe in reality at all.
Gotcha.

It's just you deciding what polls are real and which aren't.

Not at all, there just haven't been many polls on the genocide directly in the US. Nobody wants to know.
The couple you posted were just that, a couple of polls, its too small a sample size.
The reaction on the street indicates its a much bigger issue, polls always underplay issues that put people out on the street protesting.

There is nothing here more moderate than the median Democratic politician.
You are on the record that calling for a ceasefire should be ignored and doesn't count because it hasn't happened.
Rhetoric means nothing. You've been very clear.

And right here in the first paragraph of your article...

" Moreover, where his stances are better than those of some other Democratic Party politicians, it is mainly a matter of rhetorical style rather than policy. "

'You are on the record' is this weeks catch phrase. Its also bullshit. I said a ceasefire under Netanyahu's terms should be ignored, as he has repeatedly called for a pause for hostages to be resumed and then a return to genocide. For you to say that means I'm against a ceasefire is intentionally dishonest and particularly crappy. You can do better. A ceasefire in which both sides stop the fighting has been needed for 300 days.

Biden had to cancel most personal appearances because of Palestine protests, Harris and Walz are jus starting to feel that pressure. We'll see whether she'll stick with voters or AIPAC.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1820844173274108336

You're the one who said he is singlehandedly responsible.
Either you mean that or you don't.

Biden has singlehandedly allowed the Israeli genocide on Palestinians to continue.
That includes shutting down the dissent from the 80% of dems who backed ceasefire and I had hoped, Harris as well.

You're the one who has said that genocide trumps everything else and no tradeoff for practical reasons can be accepted.

Immaterial to the question.
How far down the chain of command the charges for genocide should go is up to the courts.
I'm sure this will keep the ICC and ICJ busy for decades.

You haven't changed your stance since you declared it was 'practical' to support genocide in order to keep Biden in power.
300 days later, you are still on the record for saying voting for someone aiding genocide is your personal choice.

You share the same attitude as Harris and her trump quote, both are willfully ignorant. Even after Biden was booted out of office for both failing at the debate and having lost the support of the youth and a good chunk of dems, you think Harris can be 'practical' and enable more genocide and coast to power. That rings as self justification and willful ignorance.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1822307323362050087

 

[Frankfooter]

Huh?

The Libertarian candidate, Chase Oliver, is just as clearly against it.

‘End the genocide’ says Libertarian presidential candidate

The Libertarian Party has nominated activist Chase Oliver for US president, who pledged to ‘end the genocide’.

www.aljazeera.com

He has the advantage of being on the ballot on more states, and the Libertarians have consistently won more votes than the Green party since 2000.
Clearly, that's who you would want to support if the idea is to actually win and effect a change in foreign policy.

My bad, I didn't realize there were two Jewish options.
I'll still stick with the one Jewish candidate that is against genocide and stands for equal rights.

You can be 'practical' and support genocide at your own peril.

You will also notice that Stein is running explicitly against Harris (look at the hashtags in your tweet and notice there aren't any about the Gaza situation).
So if this is more about Israel, Olivier seems to be your guy.

Huh?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1822052925046431828

 

[Frankfooter]

So she had no other interactions with them during the event?

(Pay attention to the cuts in the clip that you posted.)

And what, might I ask, were they chanting when she said " If you want Donald Trump to win then say that. Otherwise, I'm speaking" ?



So what is the difference between the two clips, do you think?

Two different days.
The first day she said 'if you want Donald Trump to win then say that. Otherwise, I'm speaking'.
That was followed with massive social media responses against her comments.

A couple of days later she said its time for a ceasefire.

That's just in the first few days of her campaign.
We'll see where she stands as this continues and the protests continue.

 

[Leimonis]

And what, might I ask, were they chanting when she said " If you want Donald Trump to win then say that. Otherwise, I'm speaking" ?

Loved when she put imbeciles in their place

 

[NotADcotor]

Easy.

Vote for the only Jew running for office, the only person clearly against genocide.

She supports the elimination of Hamas and the end of the Hamas occupation of Gaza. I like the cut of her jib.

 

[NotADcotor]

Every post from you is this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1821729398581510183

This is a flat out lie and total misrepresentation of what is being said

Either you are utterly unable to understand what you read, or you are a filthy dirty liar

It has been explained many many times to you why we know you are motivated by a hatred of Jews. It's been established over and over and it has NOTHING to do with what you said.

You need to apologize asshole.

Also considering you are pro rape, murder and hostage taking where do you get off saying anything to anyone about such things.

 

[NotADcotor]

No wonder Frankfooter wants Trump to win so badly. Not only does he have that same diminished mental capacity of the Queers for Palestine/Chickens for KFC people but he just loves to flat out lie over and over again.

 

[Frankfooter]

This is a flat out lie and total misrepresentation of what is being said

Either you are utterly unable to understand what you read, or you are a filthy dirty liar

It has been explained many many times to you why we know you are motivated by a hatred of Jews. It's been established over and over and it has NOTHING to do with what you said.

You need to apologize asshole.

Also considering you are pro rape, murder and hostage taking where do you get off saying anything to anyone about such things.

You just proved my post.
In the post above I said I'm backing Jill Stein.
Then you turn around and accuse me of hating Jews.

Point made.

There is direct video evidence of Israeli rape of Palestinians, there are multiple deaths by rape documented and there were riots to defend the right to rape by Israelis.

Have you criticized them?
No, you just accused me of 'hatred of Jews'.

This really is your every post.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1821189849392562557

 

[NotADcotor]

You just proved my post.
In the post above I said I'm backing Jill Stein.
Then you turn around and accuse me of hating Jews.

Point made.

There is direct video evidence of Israeli rape of Palestinians, there are multiple deaths by rape documented and there were riots to defend the right to rape by Israelis.

Have you criticized them?
No, you just accused me of 'hatred of Jews'.

This really is your every post.

Lemmy H Kilmister on a motorbike.

I accuse you of hating Jews because
1: You are willing to resort to flat out lies constantly about them to slander them and Israel
1a: Lancet never said anything on the death toll
1b: The are not trying to kill everyone they get their hands on I've shown though a main stream media source that in fact it's the opposite, they give warnings of their attacks and it's Hamas that tries to get their people to stay in place and get killed
1c: That river to sea isn't a genocidal plan
1d: That Hamas never raped anyone
1e: That some opinion piece by some court equals a ruling that Israel must act on
Over and over, you tell a straight up falsehood, it is pointed out to you and what do you do, you keep on lying
2: You go ballistic over everything Israel does, yet you have 0 fucks to give over what is happening in western West Taiwan, Burma, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Much the Sahel region. Absolutely 0 fucks to give. The moment a Jew is involved and it's is the worst thing since Justin Beiber.
3: Your ilk was fine with Gaza and West Bank being Egyptian and Jordanian but the moment they fuck around and find out losing those lands to Israel, then it in the mind of you and your ilk becomes Palestinian land.
There are other points which I've posted, but it's late and I am old so I don't remember them off hand
4: You literally support the genocide of Jews from river to sea, you deny it, but your denials are about as legit as white nationalists who claim they don't hate non whites they just want to have separate homelands
5: Your support of murdering Jews extends to supporting Yemen terrorists attacking shipping in the Red Sea.
And other points which I off hand forget.

This has been pointed out to you over and over again and not just by me. Your reaction

Derp "you think I hate Jews because I oppose some rape story."
Fuck off. You either know that is a lie and you straight up lied, or your understanding of what you read is 0
You owe me an apology.

I say you hate Jews because you obviously hate Jews and have shown this over and over again.

Also the only reason you want Stein to get in is so that Hamas is free to butcher more Jews without American interference. That kinda means you hate Jews.

Do you really think your point was made? Seriously. Your argumentation skills are so weak, you keep trying and much like Mitchel you keep failing.

Also I don't recall this rape story of yours making it to any main stream media so I will just assume that like so much of what you said, it's just some Trumping by some other Jew haters. You have 0 credibility as an honest and reliable source. Wonder why, read those points above, that is why. Your word means NOTHING. Much like Mitchel's posts. All I see is a couple of twitter posts, one of which is from a source I've never heard of and the other is a graphic completely without context from the same organization that thought having Iran as part of a Woman's rights group would be a good idea.

I accuse you of hating Jews because you hate Jews, not because of your position on Jill Stien, and quite frankly as someone who normally supports the Dems, I applaud your anti genocide position of moving votes to a third party to give Trump a win, except even though he is an absolute psychopath who will be very destructive, but I guess your commitment to stopping the murder of Palestinians by Hamas does run deep, sadly that isn't why you are doing it. It's kinda of disturbing that you are effectively supporting Trump to support Hamas... even though he is even more pro Israel than Harris.

As for my not having criticized Israel for anything. So what, that doesn't change anything about you hating Jews. I am opposed to you, and I am opposed to Hamas. About the only thing I've said about Israel other then them being the only country where homosexuality isn't legal is that, in the grander scheme of things, unlike Ukraine falling, it isn't of great strategic interest either way.

Hell I could be cheering on the rapes, I could be out there marching in the streets in opposition to them and make it my lifes mission to oppose them but you know what. Come closer... come on...
Doesn't change the fact that you have proven to hate Jews. Even if I were to go to Gaza and start gunning down little kids. You still obviously hate Jews. I could suck off Poutine. You still hate Jews. I could bottom for Paul Bernardo and Justin Beiber, but guess what, it's been established by what you say that, you hate Jews.
* and to point out the obvious because your comprehension is so limited, I never claimed I did anything in the last paragraph.
Again it's one of your "I've been accused of being a donkey raping cock master and will disprove this by claiming the other person is just as bad, which you don't seem to understand proves nothing.

And as long as you persist I will bring your hate mongering front and center, much like I will bring forward Oil and Gas's neo nazi like claims that the Jews control the US front and center. It's important that people be reminded of who they are dealing with.

FUCK. I was going to do something in a timed game and I missed it because I had to deal with your foolishness, and sadly it's a total waste of time... well I am sure a few others will find the way I totally owned you funny, but you and your fellow buddy the Professor of Logic will never get it.

 

[y2kmark]

Huh?

The Libertarian candidate, Chase Oliver, is just as clearly against it.

‘End the genocide’ says Libertarian presidential candidate

The Libertarian Party has nominated activist Chase Oliver for US president, who pledged to ‘end the genocide’.

www.aljazeera.com

He has the advantage of being on the ballot on more states, and the Libertarians have consistently won more votes than the Green party since 2000.
Clearly, that's who you would want to support if the idea is to actually win and effect a change in foreign policy.

You will also notice that Stein is running explicitly against Harris (look at the hashtags in your tweet and notice there aren't any about the Gaza situation).
So if this is more about Israel, Olivier seems to be your guy.

Without ranked voting, any third party is just a wasted vote...

 

[Frankfooter]

Lemmy H Kilmister on a motorbike.

I accuse you of hating Jews because
1: You are willing to resort to flat out lies constantly about them to slander them and Israel
1a: Lancet never said anything on the death toll
1b: The are not trying to kill everyone they get their hands on I've shown though a main stream media source that in fact it's the opposite, they give warnings of their attacks and it's Hamas that tries to get their people to stay in place and get killed
1c: That river to sea isn't a genocidal plan
1d: That Hamas never raped anyone
1e: That some opinion piece by some court equals a ruling that Israel must act on
Over and over, you tell a straight up falsehood, it is pointed out to you and what do you do, you keep on lying
2: You go ballistic over everything Israel does, yet you have 0 fucks to give over what is happening in western West Taiwan, Burma, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Much the Sahel region. Absolutely 0 fucks to give. The moment a Jew is involved and it's is the worst thing since Justin Beiber.
3: Your ilk was fine with Gaza and West Bank being Egyptian and Jordanian but the moment they fuck around and find out losing those lands to Israel, then it in the mind of you and your ilk becomes Palestinian land.
There are other points which I've posted, but it's late and I am old so I don't remember them off hand
4: You literally support the genocide of Jews from river to sea, you deny it, but your denials are about as legit as white nationalists who claim they don't hate non whites they just want to have separate homelands
5: Your support of murdering Jews extends to supporting Yemen terrorists attacking shipping in the Red Sea.
And other points which I off hand forget.

This has been pointed out to you over and over again and not just by me. Your reaction

Derp "you think I hate Jews because I oppose some rape story."
Fuck off. You either know that is a lie and you straight up lied, or your understanding of what you read is 0
You owe me an apology.

I say you hate Jews because you obviously hate Jews and have shown this over and over again.

Also the only reason you want Stein to get in is so that Hamas is free to butcher more Jews without American interference. That kinda means you hate Jews.

Do you really think your point was made? Seriously. Your argumentation skills are so weak, you keep trying and much like Mitchel you keep failing.

Also I don't recall this rape story of yours making it to any main stream media so I will just assume that like so much of what you said, it's just some Trumping by some other Jew haters. You have 0 credibility as an honest and reliable source. Wonder why, read those points above, that is why. Your word means NOTHING. Much like Mitchel's posts. All I see is a couple of twitter posts, one of which is from a source I've never heard of and the other is a graphic completely without context from the same organization that thought having Iran as part of a Woman's rights group would be a good idea.

I accuse you of hating Jews because you hate Jews, not because of your position on Jill Stien, and quite frankly as someone who normally supports the Dems, I applaud your anti genocide position of moving votes to a third party to give Trump a win, except even though he is an absolute psychopath who will be very destructive, but I guess your commitment to stopping the murder of Palestinians by Hamas does run deep, sadly that isn't why you are doing it. It's kinda of disturbing that you are effectively supporting Trump to support Hamas... even though he is even more pro Israel than Harris.

As for my not having criticized Israel for anything. So what, that doesn't change anything about you hating Jews. I am opposed to you, and I am opposed to Hamas. About the only thing I've said about Israel other then them being the only country where homosexuality isn't legal is that, in the grander scheme of things, unlike Ukraine falling, it isn't of great strategic interest either way.

Hell I could be cheering on the rapes, I could be out there marching in the streets in opposition to them and make it my lifes mission to oppose them but you know what. Come closer... come on...
Doesn't change the fact that you have proven to hate Jews. Even if I were to go to Gaza and start gunning down little kids. You still obviously hate Jews. I could suck off Poutine. You still hate Jews. I could bottom for Paul Bernardo and Justin Beiber, but guess what, it's been established by what you say that, you hate Jews.
* and to point out the obvious because your comprehension is so limited, I never claimed I did anything in the last paragraph.
Again it's one of your "I've been accused of being a donkey raping cock master and will disprove this by claiming the other person is just as bad, which you don't seem to understand proves nothing.

And as long as you persist I will bring your hate mongering front and center, much like I will bring forward Oil and Gas's neo nazi like claims that the Jews control the US front and center. It's important that people be reminded of who they are dealing with.

FUCK. I was going to do something in a timed game and I missed it because I had to deal with your foolishness, and sadly it's a total waste of time... well I am sure a few others will find the way I totally owned you funny, but you and your fellow buddy the Professor of Logic will never get it.

What a stupid, vile and hate filled post.

I post about zionism because its a vile, racist, settler colonial movement. I post because they make people like you think that zionism represents Jews and you argue that its antisemitic to be against anally raping people to death. Because you think it means you hate Jews if you are against blowing children into tiny little pieces. Because people like you think its antisemitic to be against starving 2 million people to death, destroying their homes, education system and health care system.

Learn about Jews who are against the genocide:
Jill Stein
Bernie Sanders
IJV Canada
Breaking the Silence
B'tselem
If Not Now
Jewish Voices for Peace

Learn about international law, learn that its not antisemitic to be against:
apartheid
illegal settlements
settler terrorism
state terrorism
genocide

Read the facts from independent sources
UN
Amnesty
HRW
B'tselem
ICC
ICJ
MSF
Oxfam

And stop with your vile hatred of Palestinians that has you supporting blowing them to pieces, starving them to death and implementing plague conditions as part of a internationally recognized campaign of genocide.

Anybody who is still defending this zionist genocide is now not just as vile and hate filled as a nazi, you are now as vile and hate filled as nazis at the death camps. You are watching the videos of the deaths of Palestinians daily, reading about the starvation, reading the independent reports and actively arguing for more of this death.

This is daily life for Palestinians under the zionist genocide you are actively promoting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1822524837257998455

 

[Valcazar]

Trump says a lot of shit, you believe everything? Do you believe anything he says? Why do you believe just that he will support the genocide as much as Biden? That makes no sense. Do you believe he will shoot someone on 5th avenue because he said he could get away with it?

Ahh.
Desperate flailing.

Harris just said she wants a ceasefire, though she couches it in the AIPAC frame of 'to bring home the hostages'. I would expect its going to take a few more weeks before she makes a clearer statement on what she will really support.

You have absolutely no reason to believe her and have repeatedly said that a ceasefire that didn't live up to your standards was unacceptable and is just perpetuating the genocide.

You also said the military action would be done before the war and if it was that would be no reason to not vote against Biden (which, by extension, you would have to apply to Harris).

Trump has no policy other than what he thinks will make him money and what people cheer for at rallies, the way 'build the wall' came about.
Given that you can't believe anything he says there is no reason to say he's genocidal until there is action any more than you wouldn't arrest him for shooting someone on 5th avenue.

This "No, no, no! Trump isn't dangerous in any way! There is no reason to look at his past history of actions, policy decisions, and the people he has supporting him to make rational decisions" you adopted at one point has been fascinating to watch.
I realize it is necessary to support your position, but it is still kind of fascinating to watch.

Not at all, there just haven't been many polls on the genocide directly in the US. Nobody wants to know.
The couple you posted were just that, a couple of polls, its too small a sample size.
The reaction on the street indicates its a much bigger issue, polls always underplay issues that put people out on the street protesting.

Interesting conjecture.
Proof backing that assertion?

'You are on the record' is this weeks catch phrase. Its also bullshit. I said a ceasefire under Netanyahu's terms should be ignored, as he has repeatedly called for a pause for hostages to be resumed and then a return to genocide. For you to say that means I'm against a ceasefire is intentionally dishonest and particularly crappy. You can do better. A ceasefire in which both sides stop the fighting has been needed for 300 days.

So you aren't denying that you will only accept a ceasefire under specific terms and refuse all other ceasefire proposals.
Good.
Glad you aren't denying that.

Biden had to cancel most personal appearances because of Palestine protests

Evidence for this?

Harris and Walz are jus starting to feel that pressure. We'll see whether she'll stick with voters or AIPAC.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1820844173274108336

Not sure what your tweet showing that Walz is a mainstream Democratic politician is supposed to show.
His position there has been the Democratic leadership position for months.
Up until recently you found it totally unacceptable because it was just talk as far as you were concerned.

Biden has singlehandedly allowed the Israeli genocide on Palestinians to continue.

So then your problem is solved.
When Biden is out of power in January, the genocide will be over.

After all, he is doing it singlehandedly.

Immaterial to the question.
How far down the chain of command the charges for genocide should go is up to the courts.
I'm sure this will keep the ICC and ICJ busy for decades.

Oh no!
This sounds like "many-handedly" now.
Oh dear!

You haven't changed your stance since you declared it was 'practical' to support genocide in order to keep Biden in power.
300 days later, you are still on the record for saying voting for someone aiding genocide is your personal choice.

Your belief that voting is primarily about expressing personal choice is your major misunderstanding of voting.
I've given up you ever understanding this.

 

[Frankfooter]

Ahh.
Desperate flailing.

You're arguing that you should believe everything rump says and promises he'll do?
Interesting.

You have absolutely no reason to believe her and have repeatedly said that a ceasefire that didn't live up to your standards was unacceptable and is just perpetuating the genocide.

You also said the military action would be done before the war and if it was that would be no reason to not vote against Biden (which, by extension, you would have to apply to Harris).

Now you argue that trump is more trustworthy than Harris?

Netanyahu continually pushed for a pause, not a ceasefire. Clearly that lives up to your standards and a return to genocide is your favoured end result.
I have said I hoped that the genocide would be ended by the summer as continuation would be catastrophic. We are seeing that now, with the Lancet arguing that its likely at least 186,000 will die and all reputable organizations reporting starvation and disease running rampant along with a shutdown of the health care system.

As for calling it a military action, that implies there are two armies fighting, and there is a military goal. There is only one army facing 2 million refugees in a giant concentration camp. Call it what it is, a campaign of genocide against a people illegally occupied.

This "No, no, no! Trump isn't dangerous in any way! There is no reason to look at his past history of actions, policy decisions, and the people he has supporting him to make rational decisions" you adopted at one point has been fascinating to watch.
I realize it is necessary to support your position, but it is still kind of fascinating to watch.

rump is dangerous but he's also senile and incompetent. J6 might have been the height of his ability for violence and corrupting the system for all we know. His past action shows that he surrounds himself with idiots and is more interested in pardoning himself and filling his hotels with people out to buy favour than war.

That is also a future problem, while we are talking about the present and the ongoing genocide. What rump may or may not do should be dealt with in the increasingly unlikely chance that he wins. Right now the genocide is continuing and Harris's position is under pressure.

Interesting conjecture.
Proof backing that assertion?

The Impact of Protest on Elections in the United States

www.gsb.stanford.edu

So you aren't denying that you will only accept a ceasefire under specific terms and refuse all other ceasefire proposals.
Good.
Glad you aren't denying that.

I back ceasefire that ends the genocide. Why is that term unacceptable? Why do you support continuing the genocide?

Evidence for this?

How Biden aides are trying to shield the president from protests

The president's team has deployed tactics such as hosting smaller events and withholding their precise locations from the media and the public to minimize disruptions.

www.nbcnews.com

So then your problem is solved.
When Biden is out of power in January, the genocide will be over.

After all, he is doing it singlehandedly.

Unless Harris really does hold the same views. That's still not clear.

Oh no!
This sounds like "many-handedly" now.
Oh dear!

Are you suggesting that everyone who doesn't Aaron Bushnell is guilty of aiding genocide?
Interesting argument, how deep down the nazi government and army did the charges go after WWII?

Your belief that voting is primarily about expressing personal choice is your major misunderstanding of voting.
I've given up you ever understanding this.

Your argument that you can't change the system so if democracy becomes choosing between Hitler A and Hitler B, you just vote for the one who might also cancel student debt, and anything else is just not pragmatic.

Biden was turfed, Harris is under pressure. Democracies are supposed to be lead by people who listen to the will of voters, which is what the protests have been trying to do. You just argue its not pragmatic to try to change the system so just enjoy cancelling student debts and enjoy the genocide as a side benefit.

 

[Valcazar]

My bad, I didn't realize there were two Jewish options.

He's not Jewish, why would that matter?

I'll still stick with the one Jewish candidate that is against genocide and stands for equal rights.

I thought you wanted to stop genocide?
Wouldn't that mean trying to support the candidate who has a better chance of winning?

The Libertarians have better ballot access, poll higher, and have consistently won more votes than the Greens.

If the point of you voting is to effect change in this one aspect of foreign policy, he is clearly the better choice.

Huh?

Right.
I forgot you don't actually read the tweets.

 

[Valcazar]

Two different days.
The first day she said 'if you want Donald Trump to win then say that. Otherwise, I'm speaking'.
That was followed with massive social media responses against her comments.

A couple of days later she said its time for a ceasefire.

That's just in the first few days of her campaign.
We'll see where she stands as this continues and the protests continue.

So this is you not looking into tweets again, is it?
No difference in the chants?

It's just "social media backlash"?

 

[Frankfooter]

He's not Jewish, why would that matter?

I said I'd back the Jewish choice, Jill Stein and you brought him up.

I thought you wanted to stop genocide?
Wouldn't that mean trying to support the candidate who has a better chance of winning?

The Libertarians have better ballot access, poll higher, and have consistently won more votes than the Greens.

If the point of you voting is to effect change in this one aspect of foreign policy, he is clearly the better choice.

Ideally the protests and civil actions force Harris to change her policy to support the end of the genocide. Ideally the dems are not still supporting genocide after Biden. Getting feet on the ground, actions like uncommitted, protests at rallies and other democratic actions will happen. Ideally the US acts like a democracy and listens to its voters and not foreign lobbyists.

Its up to Harris to try to win those votes, if not Stein will take some and some won't vote.

That's up to Harris.

Right.
I forgot you don't actually read the tweets.

Did you?
That was Stein calling out the dems for backing genocide.

 

[Valcazar]

I said I'd back the Jewish choice, Jill Stein and you brought him up.

I brought him up because you said she was the only candidate against genocide.
I didn't realize that of the two, who was Jewish was more important to you than that.

Ideally the protests and civil actions force Harris to change her policy to support the end of the genocide.
Ideally the dems are not still supporting genocide after Biden.

You have already said that it is too late.
The Administration committed genocide and changing policy at this stage is good, but they still can't be supported.
Has that changed?
Is it part of your sliding scale of responsibility that you've been using?

Getting feet on the ground, actions like uncommitted, protests at rallies and other democratic actions will happen.

Protests are an important part of democratic engagement.

Its up to Harris to try to win those votes, if not Stein will take some and some won't vote.

Yes.
These are supremely stupid actions, tactically, based on what these people want.
They have every right to do that, of course.

Did you?
That was Stein calling out the dems for backing genocide.

Which has nothing to do with the point I was making.

 

[Frankfooter]

So this is you not looking into tweets again, is it?
No difference in the chants?

It's just "social media backlash"?

This isn't a Marshall McLuhan moment, valcazar.
The xitter is the medium reporting on the message.
The message was that Harris' response to Palestine protesters at rally #1 followed her to rally #2 where she made a first step towards identifying the response to Biden's support for genocide is now on her plate.

This was about the dem supporters at Harris' rallies voicing displeasure with support for genocide.

 

[Frankfooter]

I brought him up because you said she was the only candidate against genocide.
I didn't realize that of the two, who was Jewish was more important to you than that.

That was you trolling the conversation, as you continue to do now.
You really think I'd choose a libertarian over the green party even if they did have similar positions on Palestine?

You have already said that it is too late.
The Administration committed genocide and changing policy at this stage is good, but they still can't be supported.
Has that changed?
Is it part of your sliding scale of responsibility that you've been using?

Please stop misstating my views.
If you are going to claim that I made a statement I'm going to demand you back it up with quotes.
Right now it looks like intentional straw man arguments to try to troll the conversation.

Biden is actively aiding the genocide in Gaza, not committing it.
Biden's control over the dem policy, his record of AIPAC financing and his personal acts to control US international actions at the UN along with his personal choice to use executive power to finance the genocide have come against a party that was polled at 75% support for a ceasefire months ago.

If you want to argue how deep the support for genocide lies in his team and party, go to it.

Protests are an important part of democratic engagement.

Glad you agree.

Yes.
These are supremely stupid actions, tactically, based on what these people want.
They have every right to do that, of course.

In your academically superior view, they are.
But for voters without the cash of AIPAC to buy those positions feet on the ground and voting are the power they control.
Stop trying to tell them they are stupid for using it in ways you disagree.

Which has nothing to do with the point I was making.

This is what you said.

You will also notice that Stein is running explicitly against Harris (look at the hashtags in your tweet and notice there aren't any about the Gaza situation).
So if this is more about Israel, Olivier seems to be your guy.

I replied by posting a Stein attack on the dems mentioning the genocide, which you claimed didn't exist.
Olivier would be more of a butler guy while you appear to be more of a Biden or Netanyahu guy than a Harris guy.

 

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The message was that Harris' response to Palestine protesters at rally #1 followed her to rally #2 where she made a first step towards identifying the response to Biden's support for genocide is now on her plate.

This was about the dem supporters at Harris' rallies voicing displeasure with support for genocide.

How they voice that displeasure has no bearing, then?