Private Deals with SP's?

[drrogers]

First of all - know that I don't agree with someone trying to cut out the agency. I would be pissed if someone did that to me after I spent money to market and bring the lady or product to market.
Why would he do it - not to take advanctage of her but simpley - greed. Outcall costs $250 lets say - girl gets $125 to $140. Offer the girl $175 - she's happy, client is happy. Introduction has been made - agency handles that cost - and move on. That's why!

 

[The Lurker]

First of all - know that I don't agree with someone trying to cut out the agency. I would be pissed if someone did that to me after I spent money to market and bring the lady or product to market.
Why would he do it - not to take advanctage of her but simpley - greed. Outcall costs $250 lets say - girl gets $125 to $140. Offer the girl $175 - she's happy, client is happy. Introduction has been made - agency handles that cost - and move on. That's why!

Sorry Dr. But if a girl is only making 50-75% of the fee, alot of guys will offer that up front. I have been advised to do this too. Never partok (partake past tense?) but seems logical no? Maybe not ethical but its out there.

 

[danmand]

Hey guys and sp's. Heres a question that may spark a debate, but I am just so darn curious. Last evening we sent a lady to see a gentlemen from terb. Though, still not verified as he said quote " thats my secret". This gentleman had a lovely time as my partner Jeff called him to see if everything went ok with his appointment. ( we believe in feedback, good or bad)and the young lady did say the client lived alone, so we thought it ok to call and see if he was happy with his appointment. He assured us the lady was quite lovely and a teriffic companion. We could have told him that. *smile* What happened after the appointment disturbed us though. The lady said the gentleman asked her to cut the agency out of the picture from now on. Now, we should say for the record, the lady is an independant, but does use Aphrodisia's to book and for transport and security. Does this happen alot? Do the clients really ask the lady to give up her protection and security and peace of mind? If so, why? So he could spend less money and undervalue her, or is it a control thing? Does he think that without her protections and booking services, he can take advantage of her? Not looking to flame, just curious. Why would someone do that?

Allison

It is a possibility that the client, rather than wanting a better deal,
wanted to cut out the agency so the SP would receive the entire fee.

Now, you promised no flaming!!!

 

[hairyfucker]

You know the greed has to be on both parties for this to work.

If not then as mentioned one of the two parties is very generous and is just trying to get a better deal for the other.

There are basically thee most likely combinations.

1. higher $$ for the SP
2. lower $$ for the client
3. both

 

[Never Compromised]

It is tacky, but it happens all the time. Some clients seem to have a never ending stack of business cards to give to the girls to call them directly and cut out the middle man.

Bad business all around.

 

[tboy]

It is a possibility that the client, rather than wanting a better deal,
wanted to cut out the agency so the SP would receive the entire fee.

Now, you promised no flaming!!!

I could see this as well. Not that the agencies don't offer a service for their "cut" and yes, they do offer the security, simplicity of advertising etc, transportation etc.

I actually have been offerred direct connection by agency ladies in the past and due to bad relations with the agency, have partaken.

In fact, with one lady who has left the biz, it got to the point where I'd pick her up, drive her home, pick her up from her day job, and other than the exchange of money, got to be almost like a TRUE gf experience when one time (on the way home) I took her grocery shopping lol.

This problem isn't restricted to this biz, many (maybe all) companies that have their reps in direct contact with their customers suffer from this.

 

[skypilot]

Some clients also have preconceived notions about agencies and all the stereotypes that comes along with it ( i.e pimp, hard hand, etc) so they think they're doing the SP a favour by trying to cut out the agency. If you run a service where you are fair with the ladies who work for you, then they are less likely to go behind your back.

Yeah thats how I feel. I will pay a regular the full fee and ignore the agency.

 

[trisket]

It doesn't happen often since I mostly deal with independents to start with but after I've seen someone, sometimes I'll offer - sometimes she'll offer to bypass the agency for our mutual benefit. A few agencies take up to half, possibly even more for their "overhead".
Since it's repeat business there is less risk, there isn't a need to advertise any longer and we both know how to drive or can hail a cab.

 

[saliksalik]

Hi, I have met several SPs, thru various reputable agencies, who have on their own brought up the possibilities of private encounters. I never indulged into those since dealing through a reliable agency provides me a non tangible assurance of quality and professionalism.

 

[smylee52]

Normal commerce

Allison , another term for this is moonlighting . People offer their electrician neighbor weekend work for a reduced rate so why wouldn't they offer their SP the same opportunity . The moonlighter makes more money and the customer gets something extra in savings or service . Millions of people do this everyday so no surprise it happens in the sextrade .

 

[Keebler Elf]

It's called negotiating.

If a guy can cut out the middle man and the SP is comfortable with that, ta-da! You've got a deal.

Really, once a relationship has been established the need for an agency declines rapidly.

 

[solitaria]

I think the bigger question is why on earth would a girl use an agency. It doesn't make sense to pay $70 or more to have an agency pimp you out.

 

[Papi Chulo]

So he could spend less money and undervalue her, or is it a control thing? Does he think that without her protections and booking services, he can take advantage of her? Not looking to flame, just curious. Why would someone do that?

If he offered her more per hour than you are paying her (which is possible), how is it undervaluing her???

There are many indy girls who do very well, and have virtually the same "protection" using a good driver.

It is called cutting out the middleman!!.. that is the way of the world.

It is kind of funny hearing an agency try to justify their existence.. It is plain and simple, an agency is a business that exists to profit off of selling sexual services... which is the same as a PIMP

 

[Moraff]

I think the bigger question is why on earth would a girl use an agency. It doesn't make sense to pay $70 or more to have an agency pimp you out.

I agree that it doesn't make sense if you are willing to do all the necessary work yourself. But I imagine some girls find it worthwhile to pay someone else to do all the advertising and such instead of having to doing it themselves.

Another possibility is that the girl may feel safer working for an agency rather than operating as an independent.

 

[skypilot]

Pimps are cooler, not as cool as Ninjas and Pirates, but still cool.

Transformers are also cooler than pimps.

 

[Keebler Elf]

Pimps are losers, not as loser as Ninjas and Pirates, but still losers.

 

[Damondean]

I tried to look at Aphrodisia's Companiosn site. It says "site coming soon" . . .Isn't part of a serious agency's service a good site with ladies" pix and other info???

 

[Dodger]

Hi, I have met several SPs, thru various reputable agencies, who have on their own brought up the possibilities of private encounters. I never indulged into those since dealing through a reliable agency provides me a non tangible assurance of quality and professionalism.

Likewise I have had the offer, but to me the security of the agency and the way they handle the personal information is more important than saving a few dollars.

I have struck up a relationship outside of an agency only once and that was whenthe lady was retiring from "active duty" She did not want to go Indy but had a few regulars who she planned to keep. The regulars dwindled away in time and I still continue to see her today after 3 years. She is happy with the surrent arrangements and does not plan to return to the life at this time

 

[Manji]

Pimps are losers, not as loser as Ninjas and Pirates, but still losers.

C'mon...
Ninjas are cool!!!!!....Pimps and Pirates are losers....

Transformers are cool.....Some as cool as Ninjas depending on the Transformer (Optimus is cool...Bumblebee not really)....

 

[LTO_3]

Hey guys and sp's. Heres a question that may spark a debate, but I am just so darn curious. Last evening we sent a lady to see a gentlemen from terb. Though, still not verified as he said quote " thats my secret". This gentleman had a lovely time as my partner Jeff called him to see if everything went ok with his appointment. ( we believe in feedback, good or bad)and the young lady did say the client lived alone, so we thought it ok to call and see if he was happy with his appointment. He assured us the lady was quite lovely and a teriffic companion. We could have told him that. *smile* What happened after the appointment disturbed us though. The lady said the gentleman asked her to cut the agency out of the picture from now on. Now, we should say for the record, the lady is an independant, but does use Aphrodisia's to book and for transport and security. Does this happen alot? Do the clients really ask the lady to give up her protection and security and peace of mind? If so, why? So he could spend less money and undervalue her, or is it a control thing? Does he think that without her protections and booking services, he can take advantage of her? Not looking to flame, just curious. Why would someone do that?

Allison

Sometimes it's a 2 way street but not always. On occasion, indies use agencies for the reasons you stated but that also allows them to meet "potential" new clients without having to worry about travel and security issues. And if the SP finds herself at ease with the person, especially if they see each other again, then numbers can & do get exchanged.

From the guys perspective, for similar reasons as above, if he finds they click and knows she also works indy, then the question will be asked (but not by all).

In either case if they see each other outside of the agency then the money made is all hers and not just a percentage & the guy might get a small price break. With an indy if you sometimes go a slight bit over the alotted time it's less of a factor than with a girl from an agency.

If an agency girl stays with an agency and sees regular agency customers on the side then that is a problem the agency has to deal with. I know some indies that have worked for agencies have told them "this is a list of my guys and I will be seeing them as an indy".

Good or bad the question of "will you see me outside of the agency" does happen more often than we think.

LTO_3