Privacy being compromised - Rant and warning

[OrganicFan]

Been thinking about this, but did not have a chance to post. I am going to post without naming any names. Sorry it became a long post.

I am not fear mongering. Just asking guys to be careful whether it is independent or agencies.

I have come to the conclusion that invasion of privacy happens in this industry all the time.

Summary for those who do not have the patience to read.
1. Have a hobby phone.
2. If there is a laptop in the bedroom, politely ask them to close it to avoid being recorded.
3. Safeguard your wallet and even any identifying papers.

I call a popular independent. When I go there, I am about 10 minutes late. She asks, why are you late, you are just 5 minutes away. I was really taken aback. I do work close by. How the hell does she know? I ignore that. I did not want to pursue the topic since I know it will only lead downhill (no pun intended). Then after a while, she asks, how is your 'X' business doing, specifically referring to the industry I am in. Then it hits me. She had googled my phone number. My number comes up in a job posting for my place of work. So now she knows where I work and what I do. Lesson learned. Requested the web site operator to remove that posting. Luckily they did that and google eventually dropped that page from the search.

I call a popular agency. Of course I do not block my id since most agencies will not answer blocked calls. The operator on the other side says, "Hi XXX", XXX being my name. OK that is in my caller id. So I'll let it go. Next, I say I want to see 'SP X'. Operator says, I suppose you liked her last time. I am thinking to myself, how did he know? When I ask, he says, oh I remember most of my customers. Yeah right!. I saw the girl in question 5 months back and I don't use that agency much. So this agency keeps track of your phone number and who you have met. I am 100% sure there is a book maintained. Have read about the D.C madam'e client list and wondered if I am in such a book. This agency confirmed my fears. They can tell how often I have visited them and whom I have seen. In addition to that one agency most definitely has comments. I knew that because there was an issue with a girl in the past and some months later the operator of that agency commented about the past issue. I can understand if there is a bad client list, but this is an "All Client List"

So if they are busted or investigated for whatever reason, my name is there in the red book. Man that is scary.

The above problem can partially by having a hobby phone. Of course, anything can be tracked, but at least my real name and phone is not on the list.

The next invasion which I am finding recently is webcams being operated during the session. Girls having their webcam on during a session. I am 99% sure that this is happening. A lot of times, when you walk in the laptop will be facing you. Most times it faces the bed. When the laptop is facing me, I always ask them to either turn it on the other side or close it. Even if the screen is off, it does not mean that the camera is off. If the screen is on, the camera window can me minimized also. It is all in Korean or Chinese, so I do not know what type of window that is. Some girls close it on request, some of then get annoyed if I ask them to close it. One of them I caught when the camera was on. There was somebody on the other side. I made her close it, but she swore that there was no webcam. It was a chat. There was tension in the session after that.

For the webcam problem only thing you can do is to be careful. Maybe report issues on TERB so that others can be careful. Make sure the laptop is closed.

Of course, there could be hidden cameras.

Next camera issue was in a massage parlour. They have cameras in the front door, main passage, steps etc. There were only two girls on duty. So when both of them are busy, they put in the monitor (in the room) to see who is ringing the bell. There were four cameras. Of course there was no camera in the room. In the monitor I could see very clearly who was coming in the main passageway. I am sure when I was coming somebody in the other room could have seen me. I stopped visiting this place. That is the least I could do. Imagine your boss in the other room getting a massage and see you walking in. If you knew that about him, that would be good, but not the other way around.

 

[alexmst]

Sure, those are valid points, thanks for posting.

Some of us would pay extra for a video of our session, so I can't see most girls recording it to keep it secret. Heck, most SPs don't like the idea of being filmed in a session, so why would they want a record - to watch later? I'm not male model material so I doubt porn sites would pay for a video of me doing an SP in a session lol.

As for the hobby phone, that is a very good idea and will stop the Google searching turning up info. If you use a hobby phone and a fake name you have the same amount of privacy as the SP.

 

[OrganicFan]

My concern about being recorded is, I am afraid of seeing myself in youporn with the title "Amateur with a 3 inch dick having fun". BTW, I meant a 3" girth and not length.

Some of us would pay extra for a video of our session, so I can't see most girls recording it to keep it secret. Heck, most SPs don't like the idea of being filmed in a session, so why would they want a record - to watch later? I'm not male model material so I doubt porn sites would pay for a video of me doing an SP in a session lol.

 

[fuji]

So if they are busted or investigated for whatever reason, my name is there in the red book. Man that is scary.

It's not as scary in Canada as it is in the US. In Canada, at least until Harper changes it, it is a crime to be "found in" an incall. Unless they actually apprehend you inside the incall you are not "found in" it, even if you admit to having been in it.

As for your caller ID if you ask persistently you can get that changed. My caller ID does not show my real name, and I have a "regular" cell phone, not a separate one.

The webcam issue is more worrying because of the possibility your session could end up on the internet, which would be fucking embarrassing, regardless of the lack of legal consequences.

The girl may have no intention of posting your session but we all know the route, laptop get taken in for repair, or sold/given to someone else, and the video is on it, and soon the video is on the internet. The fact that such video exists at all should be of a concern.

So I agree with the suggestion to have the laptop/webcam turned away.

 

[yahoo40]

I Yeah right!. I saw the girl in question 5 months back and I don't use that agency much. So this agency keeps track of your phone number and who you have met. I am 100% sure there is a book maintained. Have read about the D.C madam'e client list and wondered if I am in such a book. This agency confirmed my fears. They can tell how often I have visited them and whom I have seen. In addition to that one agency most definitely has comments. I knew that because there was an issue with a girl in the past and some months later the operator of that agency commented about the past issue. I can understand if there is a bad client list, but this is an "All Client List"

I am a same concern about this with a well known agency owner in toronto . As whenever I contact them them seems to be aware whom I saw in the past and even tracks if the session was started on time or was delayed on their behalf or mine.

When I asked them do they keep records the guy said his memory is very scary !

I also think in many cases the records are kept on the computer

Now I am on my way to get a hobbying phone

 

[Never Compromised]

Anyone here a member of an agency "loyalty programme"? Anyone here call and agency from a blocked number and tell the phone girl "but I'm safe, I'm a regular"?

There are two sides to every story. While I agree 100% that the session should NEVER be recorded without consent, there is a need for security for the agency and the women in this industry. A well known agency (now disbanded) was robbed one evening from a "high end" downtown condo. The knife wielding thieves took the agency's receipts for several days and robbed the girls there of their day's receipts. I know of an indy that went to the bathroom towards the end of her session, and when she came back out the customer had gone though the drawers of the hotel room, found her money and purse and took them. Have a chat with Wendy Leaver of the Sex Crimes Unit if you want to find out just how often girls get robbed or hurt in this industry.

And before you start going on about how "different" TERB guys are or how no one on here would do something like that, just remember the stories of guys from here telling girls that they want "X" or they will give a bad review, or tell the girls that they are a regular and they want BBFS or a discount or the girl will get a bad review.

TERB members are no better or no worse than the general male population that hobbies.

 

[Anynym]

Privacy concerns are important, and technology helps people to recall or to learn specific details.

But there are some folks out there who simply do have very good memories: I was at a bar where the bartender remembered me from about a year previously (the last time I had been in that bar). Remembered where I had sat, what I had ordered (well, not the brand, but draft beer and not bottled or liquor). I asked a few questions to confirm that she wasn't just making it up and she was correct in every instance. I do believe that she remembered my previous visit.

If we really want to maintain complete privacy and confidentiality, we'll find ourselves living in a shack deep in the woods of Montana (or Newfoundland).

 

[OrganicFan]

Good point. I tend to take it with me, but always I undress in the bathroom. Several times the SPs have insisted that I leave my shirt and pant in the bedroom saying that we are alone, but I just say, I prefer not to and just go take my clothes off in the bathroom. Once I finish my shower, I bring them along with me to the bedroom and then back it goes with me for the post shower. It is a pain, but I rather be safe than sorry later. These are simple things we can do to safeguard ourselves. Numerous cases of lost money.

another important suggestion is not to take your wallet with you to the session but only the cash. because SPs/MPAs will look through your wallet (and take down information) while your in the shower.

 

[fuji]

The flip side of this is outcall SP's who have to worry about the same thing--customers with webcams filming their session. I'm sure this happens all the time.

Same problem here: Not so much that the customer is going to do anything nasty with the video, just private use, but... wait until the laptop is taken in for repairs.

Suddenly the video is uploaded to some porn site.

 

[afterhours]

Have a chat with Wendy Leaver of the Sex Crimes Unit if you want to find out just how often girls get robbed or hurt in this industry.

to a man with a hummer everything looks like a nail, her impression may be inaccurate

 

[Rockslinger]

to a man with a hummer everything looks like a nail, her impression may be inaccurate

Are you suggesting that Wendy never hears of the 98 million cases where the escort does not get robbed or hurt? I still say escorting is safer than driving a cab (and there is little risk of being t-boned too).

 

[OrganicFan]

I suppose it is not in the interest of any agency or independent to chime in about this topic. They are conspicuously absent

 

[freestuff]

I suppose it is not in the interest of any agency or independent to chime in about this topic. They are conspicuously absent

Would you believe them if they said they do not keep any records and your session is never taped?
You never know.
Do some throw away your information after the session is over? Probably. Do all? No.
Are you being recorded? Probably not. But maybe there are listening devices so the SP can call for help if a john gets rough/out of hand. I wouldn't be shocked if that was the case.
As an aside, there was a rumor that one agency voice recorded the session to ensure that SPs did not make side-deals with the john. And I heard this "urban legend" were a session was taped (without the knowledge/consent of the john) so that other SPs could learn the techniques of this (popular) SP. True? Probably not. But something to think about.
This is a risky (and expensive) "hobby." If you can't take the heat, get out of the bedroom.

 

[wangbang]

I have a dedicated cell phone just for the hobby, have never told an SP my last name or called from work and use a different first name (just like a peeler, lol). Shouldn't surprise anyone that I am not on Facebook.

Only recently have I started leaving my wallet in the trunk.

Never had a problem but there is a lot of good advice in this thread.

 

[MindJohn]

My concern about being recorded is, I am afraid of seeing myself in youporn with the title "Amateur with a 3 inch dick having fun". BTW, I meant a 3" girth and not length.

A standard toilet tissue core is 5" in girth, so as was the case in your original post, you are telling more about yourself than about the rest of the environment.