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The price of companionship is the almost as a pure a market-driven activity as exists in the world. Plus this service is as intimate a service as any human being can provide, and thus i don't think these ladies need to justify at all what they charge. They are allowing us to explore the most intimate aspects of their body, and i for one will not dispute, challenge, or debate their prices. If it is too high, I won't visit and move on to another lady (and btw if too low I am wary and also will not visit). Toronto is a veritable cornucopia of extraordinarily beautiful and intelligent ladies, so finding one in your price range (unless you're super cheap) is not hard (shout out here to the extraordinarily lovely ebony ladies, my goodness Toronto has the best and I've been all over the world!!). And like I said it is market driven. If a lady prices herself out by going to high, she will get feedback via having no clients. If she prices too low, she may have too much stress/hassle on phones and getting tired/exhausted trying to manage all this. So she'll adjust her prices to enable her to earn what she wants - AND/OR - manage her lifestyle. Some ladies may charge "too much" - but that means she only get 1 - 2 clients a day, instead of 4-5, but that may be EXACTLY what she wants. I've done that where I put out a price on a gig i sort of didn't want to do - and made it really high (figuring they would not accept it) but they did..so...let's have at it with a smile!
I read the discussions in the Ottawa section and it left me shaking my head in disbelief. Some of the "men" and I use that term VERY lightly, need to get your heads out of your asses and grow up. For me this comes down to a woman's choice pure and simple.
Her body, her choice what she does with it and her choice what she charges for it. Don't like it? Go elsewhere.
Her body, her choice what she does with it and her choice what she charges for it. Don't like it? Go elsewhere.
Quite a few threads about price these days. I decided to chime on this one as it does not seem as emotionally charged than others.
All in all, it reminds me of the budget thread some of us do annually. Every year some guys are shocked by the $ amount some of us (me) have pent and are planning spend for our pleasure. I'll be brutally honest. If you do not have the money, do not spend it. You will end up resenting every lady you see regardless of how much she charges, it will always be too much.
If you cannot see a SP because she is out of your price range: don't.
If you really want to see her: save your money or make more.
What I spend is my business. And once I put the money in the envelop it does not exist and I never look back. I am more interest in the connection, laughs and hot sex.
To me it's play money. The day it changes, I'll stop. Simple enough.
All in all, it reminds me of the budget thread some of us do annually. Every year some guys are shocked by the $ amount some of us (me) have pent and are planning spend for our pleasure. I'll be brutally honest. If you do not have the money, do not spend it. You will end up resenting every lady you see regardless of how much she charges, it will always be too much.
If you cannot see a SP because she is out of your price range: don't.
If you really want to see her: save your money or make more.
What I spend is my business. And once I put the money in the envelop it does not exist and I never look back. I am more interest in the connection, laughs and hot sex.
To me it's play money. The day it changes, I'll stop. Simple enough.
If the ladies can get it then all the power to them. Why should they provide services for less then what they can get. If they could get $20K and hour then all the best. As for me I don't hobby much in TO any more, I go overseas where I find the experience much more to my liking for much less money. In Toronto porn often wins over the hassle of making an appt, driving somewhere and paying $140-200 for a quick 30-45 min encounter, when for $100 I can spend 2 hours plowing a super hot latino sextress.
I guess it's all about perspective, and what spa you are at, and how good you are at the job. I never had a shift with less than 5 clients & $800+. I worked for 8yrs at a low-end spa. A place like Muse is multiple times busier than those days.
Some see other girls as competition but I think that's silly. Guys hobby for variety. We staff a multitude of looks/shapes/sizes/ages. There is plenty of business for everyone. I'd never think a guy looking for a spinner or an Asian lady or a milf was competition to me. I'm a curvy white chick. That would be foolish to think had anything to compete about.
Most mpa's make a lot more than escorts. Because prices are the same. I have no issue with full service, but I do think it should cost more than a bodyslide or a lap dance or a handjob
I can't speak for any other spa, but that's outrageous. I couldn't even imagine running our business in a manner than requires change. We select ladies based on all of their qualities. We love them just how they are
Our shifts are 5 or 7hrs long. Works as much or as little as you'd like. Don't paint an entire flourishing industry with 1 brush.
Actually it's not always about that type of perspective with regards to how good you are at your job or which spa you are at.I guess it's all about perspective, and what spa you are at, and how good you are at the job. I never had a shift with less than 5 clients & $800+. I worked for 8yrs at a low-end spa. A place like Muse is multiple times busier than those days.
Some see other girls as competition but I think that's silly. Guys hobby for variety. We staff a multitude of looks/shapes/sizes/ages. There is plenty of business for everyone. I'd never think a guy looking for a spinner or an Asian lady or a milf was competition to me. I'm a curvy white chick. That would be foolish to think had anything to compete about.
Most mpa's make a lot more than escorts. Because prices are the same. I have no issue with full service, but I do think it should cost more than a bodyslide or a lap dance or a handjob
I can't speak for any other spa, but that's outrageous. I couldn't even imagine running our business in a manner than requires change. We select ladies based on all of their qualities. We love them just how they are
Your ethnicity matters a great deal. Let me know how many ebonies are on your roster or on any of the high end spas in the city. I'll be surprised if it's more than 1 or 2. I mean full Ebony. Not mixed. (Also Asian or East Indian, although those are a bit more popular with respect to demand in spas). The industry is incredibly racialized despite what you say. Then count how many Causasian counterparts you see to compare the disparity.
It is not a coincidence.
Race matters.
After personally being denied from some of the best spas in the city (before being a provider, which I love), many that gents review on here, it sort of clicked. Some were nice, "Sorry we already have a black girl" or "You wouldn't be busy here, we are only looking for blonde or brunette at the moment." While I did make considerable coin and the spa I was hired at was a great atmosphere with decent clientele, it is still a very small fraction in comparison, when I think about it retrospectively (granted, that isn't the same experience for everyone). Also I did not particularly enjoy listing services and cost all the time for different activities. I felt it took away from the whole experience. I don't think price should be spoken about at all. Just put a simple envelope on the counter with one correct amount that is stated and call it a day from the beginning!
You may hire all shapes and sizes which is absolutely wonderful but that's really not the norm of the industry.
You will also see a higher turnover rate of marginalized ethnicities due to this. Both in spas and agencies. You aren't part of a marginalized race so the argument that you were busy when you worked doesn't really make as much sense as you think it should.
Prices are also definitely not the same. At least not with me and many others I could name. You tell us not to paint the industry with one brush and you should do the same. You may be referring to agency standard rates which yes, is a structure some providers do adopt but many of us do not.
If you can't afford it don't play, it's that simple. Her body her choice.
Would you go to eat at Harbour 60 or other high end restaurants and tell them that they should not charge that much money as you think is not fair because you have a McDonald's budget ?
Would you go to eat at Harbour 60 or other high end restaurants and tell them that they should not charge that much money as you think is not fair because you have a McDonald's budget ?
That isn't the industry's doing. Or parlors. The majority of clients seek out what they prefer or contrasting to what they have at home.
There are entire spas based on ethnicity. Yes, there ar spas that specialize in everything from black girls to Indian girls to asian girls to white chick's. Strip clubs as well. But indy or otherwise you can't change a clients tastes. BP is full of black girls, why not just flat out call clients racist?! I really don't see how race has anything to do with your Flirt example or claiming massage girls make less. It is simply untrue.
Yup, Muse is different than the rest. That was by intentional design. And it changed the industry.
Look outside the box you work within.
So here's another take .. I've been traveling to Europe lately and the hobby travels as well!
The experience in Red Light Districts (famous window girls) are hit-or-miss and even the best ones are still in a very cramped little room, minimal intimacy, time ranging from 20mins to usually an hour long sessions. Extremely high traffic high volume "bust and go" - €50 (C$70) for 20 mins and you're good. That said, apparently it's rife with bad experiences, upselling and other things so it's like any low end commodity market.
Then there are the private brothels, independent girls that do incall and outcall, honestly at current FD rates the prices are quite similar. Cheaper indies, some more expensive, depends. I saw one beautiful woman for 2 hours for €350, we joked and chatted and flirted, she taught me some basic Russian, it was a swell time.
Yet further different but still pretty cost efficient is the famous German-style FKK Sauna Clubs. Think a red light district but inside a private men's spa. Girls lounge around and you discuss price with them directly. €50 typically gets you half an hour, so maybe even cheaper, but things can get expensive fast. Although a duo for €200 for an hour is a steal - the reason why this is in a separate place is the rooms to "do the deed" are properly furnished like a hotel and the venues are typically nicer - think mass market versions of playboy mansions. But like in other high volume situations upselling can be rampant.
My earliest hobby experience was with a RLD girl. I ended up spending a ludicrous amount of money but basically stayed with her all night. I later realized what I wanted was sex, yes, but also some companionship. So, to any market or sales based professional - there are two intertwined things here impacting price - sex and companionship and either or both vary in price. That's not even getting into looks yet either..
One thing I'll say is that the sex part is in broad supply here at low rates so to encourage companionship, discounts for longer sessions seems to start at he 2 hour point. That said, true companionship experiences start at a comparatively higher price point.
The experience in Red Light Districts (famous window girls) are hit-or-miss and even the best ones are still in a very cramped little room, minimal intimacy, time ranging from 20mins to usually an hour long sessions. Extremely high traffic high volume "bust and go" - €50 (C$70) for 20 mins and you're good. That said, apparently it's rife with bad experiences, upselling and other things so it's like any low end commodity market.
Then there are the private brothels, independent girls that do incall and outcall, honestly at current FD rates the prices are quite similar. Cheaper indies, some more expensive, depends. I saw one beautiful woman for 2 hours for €350, we joked and chatted and flirted, she taught me some basic Russian, it was a swell time.
Yet further different but still pretty cost efficient is the famous German-style FKK Sauna Clubs. Think a red light district but inside a private men's spa. Girls lounge around and you discuss price with them directly. €50 typically gets you half an hour, so maybe even cheaper, but things can get expensive fast. Although a duo for €200 for an hour is a steal - the reason why this is in a separate place is the rooms to "do the deed" are properly furnished like a hotel and the venues are typically nicer - think mass market versions of playboy mansions. But like in other high volume situations upselling can be rampant.
My earliest hobby experience was with a RLD girl. I ended up spending a ludicrous amount of money but basically stayed with her all night. I later realized what I wanted was sex, yes, but also some companionship. So, to any market or sales based professional - there are two intertwined things here impacting price - sex and companionship and either or both vary in price. That's not even getting into looks yet either..
One thing I'll say is that the sex part is in broad supply here at low rates so to encourage companionship, discounts for longer sessions seems to start at he 2 hour point. That said, true companionship experiences start at a comparatively higher price point.
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What box?
You came at me with some knowledge so I gave you some right back that you fail to see.
I'm actually highly observant about many things.
It is the industry but for you to tell me your different than the rest when I see zero ebonies on your roster is ridiculous. You may be a bit different but still quite similar to what I see.
Also yes, race matters. Clients aren't particularly racist but the industry is racially charged. For you to think that isn't the case is simply a case of some serious white privilege you have going on.
PS. Have you thought about why those other ethnicities are all over backpage? Most probably tried a high end spa and got denied. Trust and believe I know about 7 other Ebony providers and MPA's who have gone through the same thing, so please don't come at me with this "clients are racist" thing as an plausible explanation that I should accept or say. That's not it.
Finally, what Flirt example? I think you must have me confused with Charlotte. I simply stated that while YOU think your MP is different and all girls make more money than providers, I'm here to tell you that that belief is highly inaccurate and is based on a number of factors. It does not always matter the spa.
How did a thread about prices, morph into a thread about race?
Come to think about it, why is it that many threads about something, morph into a thread about race?
Come to think about it, why is it that many threads about something, morph into a thread about race?
Chloe,
don't bother with her. Just look at her past posts. Should tell you everything you need to know.
I'm with you... and that's all that matters, isn't it?
don't bother with her. Just look at her past posts. Should tell you everything you need to know.
I'm with you... and that's all that matters, isn't it?
I'm fine with whatever price or rules the ladies care to have. They are business people after all and it is totally their right to charge what they wish to charge and to have whatever rules they wish to have.
I'm also fine with my own personal rules. I don't patronize ladies with split level pricing, multi-hour first meeting pricing, excessive tattoos, inconsiderate booking habits etc.. We all have rules to be respected.
My favorite place to hobby is London. On business I usually hobby a few times each visit to London while I rarely see Toronto ladies anymore. A bit of a generalization but in London prices rise by quality of experience while in Toronto I find price rises by looks. In London the client is King and in Toronto the ladies are Queen. The dynamic in Toronto seems a little off kilter these days.
I'm also fine with my own personal rules. I don't patronize ladies with split level pricing, multi-hour first meeting pricing, excessive tattoos, inconsiderate booking habits etc.. We all have rules to be respected.
My favorite place to hobby is London. On business I usually hobby a few times each visit to London while I rarely see Toronto ladies anymore. A bit of a generalization but in London prices rise by quality of experience while in Toronto I find price rises by looks. In London the client is King and in Toronto the ladies are Queen. The dynamic in Toronto seems a little off kilter these days.
I know that this has been discussed before, but I don't believe that there is a direct correlation between price and service either. I think the higher prices are dictated in part due to location and perhaps travel expenses.
The mp are supplying the market based on what receives the highest demand, it has found its equilibrium in Toronto. The majority of mongers here are looking for blondes, dark hair, brunettes and Latinas (80-90%)
Even my Asian friends at work have a thing for banging blondes Lol
The demand for women outside these 4 categories is small, they are outliers, a niche.
I've never heard any of my friends say they want to get with a Bangledeshi, but many want a J Lo.
Whatever floats your boat.
I want to f**k a Somali after seeing David Bowies wife
Any Somali sp's in TO?
Peace out
Even my Asian friends at work have a thing for banging blondes Lol
The demand for women outside these 4 categories is small, they are outliers, a niche.
I've never heard any of my friends say they want to get with a Bangledeshi, but many want a J Lo.
Whatever floats your boat.
I want to f**k a Somali after seeing David Bowies wife
Any Somali sp's in TO?
Peace out
