Preferential treatment in Israel - for Arabs.

[basketcase]

Now at Home Center: Discounts for Arabs only
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3579400,00.html

It has come to Ynet's attention that Home Center, a well-known chain of home goods stores in Israel, has been offering preferential treatment to the Arab sector, and has made discounts accessible only to members of this sector, even if the store is located in a Jewish city.

Sounds like an awful country.

 

[Enonymouse]

Don't kid yourself.....Canada bends over for minorities left and right.

Someone coming into the country illegally gets more money than a pensioner who has worked in the country for 40 years.

It's better to leave the country....flush the passport down the toilet and declare yourself an illegal alien who is running from persecution.

 

[scouser1]

Now at Home Center: Discounts for Arabs only
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3579400,00.html



Sounds like an awful country.

yeah a store giving discounts that makes up for 6 decades of not being able to buy land anywhere they want because of their religion, not being able to marry someone and bring their spouse over because of their religion, cannot get jobs in certain sectors of defence and the hydro sectors because of their religion, want to see perfect examples of the wonderful democracy that Arabs live in Israel, take a stroll in East Jerusalem which intentionally receives less money than its Jewish counterpart

 

[basketcase]

No matter how many times the "Arabs can't by land" story has been exposed as a red herring, I guess you feel it still feel it delivers a punch. You might have an argument if you limited it to it being more difficult for Arabs to get long term land leases but the small percentage of land in Israel that is private is available for anyone to buy, even you, an Arab with foreign citizenship who was born in a country that is still technically at war with Israel.

I also love the argument that East Jerusalem is not funded the same as the rest of Israel even though the Palestinian movement (and most International organizations) claims that it is not a part of Israel.

The limitations on Arab workforce are also extremely small and are often only because even though they are allowed to serve in the army, they don't have the high level connections since they rarely serve in the elite units.

You have lived in Lebanon. How easy is it for Palestinians to gain employment there (or to be more direct, what is it, 70, 80 professions Palestinians are banned from)? Take a stroll in any neighbouring Arab state and see how wonderful their lives are. I guess the fact that repeated polls have said Israeli Arabs would prefer living in Israel than anywhere else (including a Palestinian state) don't count for anything.

Israel's far from perfect but given the options, it's an easy choice.

 

[gryfin]

No matter how many times the "Arabs can't by land" story has been exposed as a red herring, I guess you feel it still feel it delivers a punch. You might have an argument if you limited it to it being more difficult for Arabs to get long term land leases but the small percentage of land in Israel that is private is available for anyone to buy, even you, an Arab with foreign citizenship who was born in a country that is still technically at war with Israel.

Red Herring? According to who?

Millions of Palestinians are living in refugee camps because Israel won't let them return to their homes they own in Israel. It's an inescapable fact.

Why can't they return? Because of their religion and ethnicity. If they were Jewish, they'd be allowed to return in a heartbeat. It's an inescapable fact.

 

[gryfin]

I also love the argument that East Jerusalem is not funded the same as the rest of Israel even though the Palestinian movement (and most International organizations) claims that it is not a part of Israel.

But Israel claims that it is...so why the discrepancy in funding by Israel?

 

[gryfin]

I guess the fact that repeated polls have said Israeli Arabs would prefer living in Israel than anywhere else (including a Palestinian state) don't count for anything.

Israel's far from perfect but given the options, it's an easy choice.

I'm not so sure that's the right interpretation. The Arabs that are currently in Israel are probably among the toughest of the Palestinian population. They are the Palestinians that the Zionists did not have the strength to ethnically cleanse. They fought back and stayed put.

They saw what happened to other Palestinians who fled in terror - you were never allowed back to your homes. Someone from Brooklyn was now living in your home. (I guess this is where Karadzic got his inspiration)

There are still many Israeli politicians ( as well as the general population) today that advocate their expulsion. They refuse to go anywhere.

Unlike most of the Israeli population, they have lived there for hundreds of years. They see it as there duty to stay put and hold the flag for their fellow Palestinians.

 

[scouser1]

I'm not so sure that's the right interpretation. The Arabs that are currently in Israel are probably among the toughest of the Palestinian population. They are the Palestinians that the Zionists did not have the strength to ethnically cleanse. They fought back and stayed put.

They saw what happened to other Palestinians who fled in terror - you never allowed back to your homes. Someone from Brooklyn was now living in your home. (I guess this is where Karadzic got his inspiration)

There are still many Israeli politicians ( as well as the general population) today that advocate their expulsion. They refuse to go anywhere.

Unlike most of the Israeli population, they have lived there for hundreds of years. They see it as there duty to stay put and hold the flag for their fellow Palestinians.

I agree with what you are saying but one small correction, the vast majority of Palestinians before 1948 were farmers and many came from the Negev region of southern Israel which is mostly used now by the Israeli air force for practice to be later used in real life in the occupied territories, its largely empty


I have been to Israel and seen the empty Arab villages, if they were allowed back Lenny from Flatbush wouldnt lose his house in Tel Aviv so that argument is lame, what the Zionist crowd is afraid of is the same one that the pro apartheid crowd was before their beloved system fell, that the savage hordes (replace blacks with Palestinians) would descend upon their cities and kill them in their sleep

 

[DATYdude]

Hey scouser, when did you go to Israel? More than once you said you would NEVER go there.

Lenny from Flatbush (your favourite stereotype) is maybe descriptive of 5% of Israelis. BTW he probably lives in Jerusalem, not Tel-Aviv. What about the other 95%?

Yes, the "Zionist crowd" - i.e. 99.9% of Jews, we are somewhat afraid that the same people who

commit or glorify bus and pizzeria bombings,
eviscerate any Jew who dares enter a place like Jericho by mistake, then proudly show their bloody hands to the cheering crowd,
dance on their rooftops celebrating random bombing of civilians
who give out sweets to celebrate the deaths of any Jew as a victory for their cause

Yeah, for some reason that gives us the irrational fear that given the opportunity, plenty of Palestinians woulod be happy to do the killing while the others look on. Totally irrational, I know...

 

[gryfin]

Hey scouser, when did you go to Israel? More than once you said you would NEVER go there.

Lenny from Flatbush (your favourite stereotype) is maybe descriptive of 5% of Israelis. BTW he probably lives in Jerusalem, not Tel-Aviv. What about the other 95%?

Yes, the "Zionist crowd" - i.e. 99.9% of Jews, we are somewhat afraid that the same people who

commit or glorify bus and pizzeria bombings,
eviscerate any Jew who dares enter a place like Jericho by mistake, then proudly show their bloody hands to the cheering crowd,
dance on their rooftops celebrating random bombing of civilians
who give out sweets to celebrate the deaths of any Jew as a victory for their cause

Yeah, for some reason that gives us the irrational fear that given the opportunity, plenty of Palestinians woulod be happy to do the killing while the others look on. Totally irrational, I know...

Yes, your explanation is completely irrational and ignores the historical record. It just won't wash.

 

[landscaper]

Historical record HMMMMM

Isreal /Palestine

600000 -10000 B.C. Paleolithic & Mesolithic remains at Lake Tiberias

10000-5000 B.C. Neolithic Agricultural settlements established

5000-3000 Chalcolithic Copper and Stone tools and artifiacts found around Jericho, Beersheba and the dead sea

3000-2000 Early Bronze age Canaanites

1250 B.C Isreali conquest of the Canaanites

965-928 B.C King Soloman and Temple construction at Jerusalem

928 Isreali state divide into Judea and Isreal

721 Assyrian conquest of Isreal

586 Judea defeated by Nebchadnezzer temple destroyedc people all deported

333 B.C Alexander defeats Persia Palestine under Greek rule

322 Alexander dies Ptolemy and Seleucids divide and rule Palestine

165 B.C. Maccabees revolt against Selucid rule establish Jewish state

63 B.C. Palestine under Roman rule.

All this is prior to the birth of Crist and 600 od dyears prior to the establishment of Islam. The Palestinians apparantly don't have the " original deed to the land" or at least the currant people who go by the name Palestinian. The Palestinian name has gone from stone age through copper and iron, from Pagan to Jewish to Christian to Panthecratic back to Monotheocratic and probably many more I don't have the time to look up. And all this before the birth of Christ or the establishment of Islam.

The one common element is that the Jews and the Arabs have been fighting over a piece of desert since before the phrases Jew and Muslim were concieved. If you are going to throw out the " Historical record " at least make an attempt to be balanced in your use of histrory.

I also have about 20 more pages that I could have included but index fingers are sore

 

[gryfin]

Historical record HMMMMM

Isreal /Palestine

600000 -10000 B.C. Paleolithic & Mesolithic remains at Lake Tiberias

10000-5000 B.C. Neolithic Agricultural settlements established

5000-3000 Chalcolithic Copper and Stone tools and artifiacts found around Jericho, Beersheba and the dead sea

3000-2000 Early Bronze age Canaanites

1250 B.C Isreali conquest of the Canaanites

965-928 B.C King Soloman and Temple construction at Jerusalem

928 Isreali state divide into Judea and Isreal

721 Assyrian conquest of Isreal

586 Judea defeated by Nebchadnezzer temple destroyedc people all deported

333 B.C Alexander defeats Persia Palestine under Greek rule

322 Alexander dies Ptolemy and Seleucids divide and rule Palestine

165 B.C. Maccabees revolt against Selucid rule establish Jewish state

63 B.C. Palestine under Roman rule.

All this is prior to the birth of Crist and 600 od dyears prior to the establishment of Islam. The Palestinians apparantly don't have the " original deed to the land" or at least the currant people who go by the name Palestinian. The Palestinian name has gone from stone age through copper and iron, from Pagan to Jewish to Christian to Panthecratic back to Monotheocratic and probably many more I don't have the time to look up. And all this before the birth of Christ or the establishment of Islam.

The one common element is that the Jews and the Arabs have been fighting over a piece of desert since before the phrases Jew and Muslim were concieved. If you are going to throw out the " Historical record " at least make an attempt to be balanced in your use of histrory.

I also have about 20 more pages that I could have included but index fingers are sore

No one is talking about biblical times. Get a grip.

 

[basketcase]

Gryf,
Do you support or condemn the Palestinian hero worship for those who kill Israeli citizens and do you support or condemn the killing of Israeli citizens?

 

[landscaper]

No one is talking about biblical times. Get a grip.

Just in case you did not notice the point was that you can't just take the part of history that you want to prove your case.

As near as I can tell you seem to want to stop registering history about 1948 for some reason.

If you want to play who was there first lets who in fact was there first, not who was there when it is convienient for me to get up on my soap box spout propaganda. Very poor and unoriginal propaganda at that.

 

[gryfin]

Just in case you did not notice the point was that you can't just take the part of history that you want to prove your case.

As near as I can tell you seem to want to stop registering history about 1948 for some reason.

If you want to play who was there first lets who in fact was there first, not who was there when it is convienient for me to get up on my soap box spout propaganda. Very poor and unoriginal propaganda at that.

That's too funny.
The only person who has mentioned 1948 is you. And then you criticize me for your choice of 1948.
Why don't you read your posts first before submitting them.

 

[basketcase]

Gryf,
Do you support or condemn the Palestinian hero worship for those who kill Israeli citizens and do you support or condemn the killing of Israeli citizens?

 

[scouser1]

I took a stop in Jerusalem about 3 years back for a couple of days, which the vast majority of countries in the world consider to be disputed territory and not fully part of Israel so yes I have never been to Israel.

 

[DATYdude]

so you've been to Israel / never been to Israel

But actually you know everything from your 3 day visit?

Oh and I've been to Lebanon because I've seen it from the other side of the fence in Israel. Actually I also know everything about it. Bully for me!

 

[landscaper]

again you dance around the question. The 1948 date was on purpose. It seems from your posts that you have only the removal of the Isreali state from existance as a reason to live. Your main point has always been the eviction of the Palistinian people and the continuing treatment of them since the creation of Isreal.

My point is that if you want people to actually take you seriously in any way shape or form you can not pick over history or current events in an attempt to justify your viewpoint.

Any grade 8 student does in fact know that.