Predictions for the next Leader of the Liberal Party
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red said:peter mackay- he will cross the floor to his love.
His dog's a Liberal?
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Don't forget Dyrden or Campbell. Dyrden is very popular in both Ontario and Quebec but a very bad public speaker. Campbell runs a reasonably popular Liberal Govn't in BC.calloway said:Frank McKenna or Brian Tobin... Tobin will win.
Having said that, Tobin is the most polished politician but it would remain to be seen if he could unite the two main factions in the Liberal Party.
Dryden will be perceived as yet another Liberal lawyer from Quebec - especially by all of us (old) Toronto Maple Leaf fans. I know he's got one of those safe Liberal ridings in the GTA but he's always going to be the goalie for the Montreal Canadiens who just happens to be a lawyer and a politician. So you can forget Dryden. The next Liberal leader should be fluent in French and English and it will be OK if he or she is a lawyer as long as he or she has never stayed more than a few consecutive days anywhere in the province of Quebec.The Mugger said:Don't forget Dyrden or Campbell. Dyrden is very popular in both Ontario and Quebec but a very bad public speaker. Campbell runs a reasonably popular Liberal Govn't in BC.
Having said that, Tobin is the most polished politician but it would remain to be seen if he could unite the two main factions in the Liberal Party.
I agree. McKenna resigned as Ambassador to the US so he couldn't be accused of any conflict of interest. He couldn't very well run as the leader of the Libs while he was supposed to be representing the CPOC's version of Canada down in the US and sharing intel with Harper. He would have appeared disloyal to try to do both so he pulled the plug right away. Very decisive and classy. There is also a very good chance that Harper would have fired him anyway because he is such a well known Liberal and Martin loyalist. Getting fired would look bad on his CV even if it wasn't because of his job perfomance. Unless Harper can walk on water with his razor thin minority, McKenna is going to make him look like a monkey.Carcharias said:Looks like McKenna will make his move.
If he does, he'll very likely win. And if he wins, he'll mop up the Cons in the next election.
wouldnt it be interesting if Mckenna gets in you would have a Western Canadian in Harper and an Atlantic Canadian in Mckenna vying for power, that could be a first in Canadian history in that no one from Quebec or Ontario has a real chance of becoming PM
If McKenna became PM, I think that it would also be the first time a provincial premier succeeded in doing so. Normally provincial politicians are seen as to aligned with provincial interests to succeed nationally.scouser1 said:wouldnt it be interesting if Mckenna gets in you would have a Western Canadian in Harper and an Atlantic Canadian in Mckenna vying for power, that could be a first in Canadian history in that no one from Quebec or Ontario has a real chance of becoming PM
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My wife and I camped and toured all over NB for many of the McKenna years. We'd camp for weeks in Fundy or Kouchibouguac. We'd also make frequent forays into Moncton, Fredericton and Saint John, staying in hotels or with friends etc. So I've talked to a helluva lot of McKenna's people in every corner of NB. I've also been a sales rep for about 30 years so getting people to open up and talk to me comes as naturally as breathing. I've never heard a bad word about Frank McKenna. The people just adore him. You're an economist and you live in NF which is not too distant from NB. What, in your opinion, did McKenna do that was so special? I know all about people but I suck at economics.someone said:If McKenna became PM, I think that it would also be the first time a provincial premier seceded in doing so. Normally provincial politicians are seen as to aligned with provincial interests to succeed nationally.
When McKenna was premier I was living in Ontario and the United States. To be honest with you, I never paid much attention to Atlantic Canadian politics until I moved here. Thus, you are likely better informed about his time as premier than I am. I know that he gets a lot of credit with attracting call centers and the like to NB. IMHO he seems to be well spoken. One the negative, I would assume that he would have to take some responsibility (but not all as they have had other premiers) for the fact that in standardized testing, NB high schools are last in Canada (education is an important issue to me). However, as I say I have not special expertise in his term as premier as I took little notice of Atlantic Canadian politics until I move here. Moreover. Newfoundlanders are quick to point out that they are not a maritime province. Thus, I likely don’t hear about NB politics more than you do.slowpoke said:My wife and I camped and toured all over NB for many of the McKenna years. We'd camp for weeks in Fundy or Kouchibouguac. We'd also make frequent forays into Moncton, Fredericton and Saint John, staying in hotels or with friends etc. So I've talked to a helluva lot of McKenna's people in every corner of NB. I've also been a sales rep for about 30 years so getting people to open up and talk to me comes as naturally as breathing. I've never heard a bad word about Frank McKenna. The people just adore him. You're an economist and you live in NF which is not too distant from NB. What, in your opinion, did McKenna do that was so special? I know all about people but I suck at economics.
Harper grew up in Ontario. Although born in England, I think you can count Turner as being from Toronto. Pearson was born in Ontario. Mackenzie King (just within your 50 years) was from Ontario. I may be missing others but I can't think of any more.red said:the west wants in? how many PM's from ontario in the last fifty years?
I fail to see how an ass-licking brown-nose shit like Tobin has any real chance of winning. I wonder what his current stand on the GST is these days as a previous member of the Rat Pact. Mind you, all he has to focus upon are the political party types (who, in general, are desparate, socially inept people looking for attention), and not the general public. And that worries me.
I don't see Harper or Turner as ontario pms- both ran in the west -one in alta and the other in BC. Pearson was an mp elected in ontario.someone said:Harper grew up in Ontario. Although born in England, I think you can count Turner as being from Toronto. Pearson was born in Ontario. Mackenzie King (just within your 50 years) was from Ontario. I may be missing others but I can't think of any more.
didn't mackenzie king die in 1950? which would be over 56 years ago - and he did not die in office
But wasn't Turner a Bay street lawyer? I would say that Harper was somewhat pan Canadian with parents from the Maritimes, growing up in Toronto and moving to Alberta later. However, whether PMs are from Ontario or not, it is rare that federal governments are formed by parties that don’t get a majority of seats in Ontario. I think that there is a lot of truth to the saying that ‘what Ontario wants, Canada gets’.red said:I don't see Harper or Turner as ontario pms- both ran in the west -one in alta and the other in BC. Pearson was an mp elected in ontario.
My dumb mistake. Your right, 2006-1948=58.red said:didn't mackenzie king die in 1950? which would be over 56 years ago - and he did not die in office
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well - we could argue what it means to be from ontario and what it means to represent ontario's interests. but it doesn't really matter.someone said:But wasn't Turner a Bay street lawyer? I would say that Harper was somewhat pan Canadian with parents from the Maritimes, growing up in Toronto and moving to Alberta later. However, whether PMs are from Ontario or not, it is rare that federal governments are formed by parties that don’t get a majority of seats in Ontario. I think that there is a lot of truth to the saying that ‘what Ontario wants, Canada gets’.
My dumb mistake. You right, 2006-1948=58.
Ontario has the largest population - we could all move to calgary if that would help.
Newfoundland has the same complaints. If you ever listen to the radio call in shows here, you hear a hell of a lot of winning about how horribly they are treated (IMO, sometimes they are legitimate complains, sometimes not). In theory the Senate is supposed to provide the regional representation but currently it lacks legitimacy. Moreover, although senators are appointed to represent provinces, in reality they are appointed by a federal government that may have no or little representation in those provinces. Personally, I think that Senate reform is long over due.red said:Ontario has the largest population - we could all move to calgary if that would help.
If your from Ontario they don't want you there. Something about the need to build a fire-wall to protect Alberta from the greedy people of Ontario.red said:Ontario has the largest population - we could all move to calgary if that would help.
they can't keep us all out- to the barricades!!!!!!!!!!The Mugger said:If your from Ontario they don't want you there. Something about the need to build a fire-wall to protect Alberta from the greedy people of Ontario.
